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Any experience with ‘programmers’ not knowing git?
When I went to college (early 2010s) professors were still encouraging students to use SVN, so I probably have a fair number of peers who didn't learn git until they got out into the real world
A native graphical shell for SSH
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Re: A native graphical shell for SSH
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I hired a programmer and after giving him his Linux laptop let him set up a few things. A couple hours later he asked me where he could get PuTTY for it, and I recognized a huge gap in my interview coverage.
Any experience with ‘programmers’ not knowing git?
Re: A native graphical shell for SSH
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It's a very, very thin web layer on top of native code: https://cockpit-project.org/guide/latest/features.html To the author's defense: Cockpit is Linux only, and they seem to intend on making this also available on Windows and Mac. Still, I don't see the appeal they seem to do, especially since it relies so much on SSH. The biggest use case I can think for something like this in the real world is something like firs…
Windows has quite a lot of remote admin tools that work pretty transparently over the network though. The issue is that they're historically never turned on or heavily restricted. Where the user is involved though RDP is a world class remote desktop never exceeded by Linux anywhere. If someone wants to impress me, point Claude at Wayland and get it so I can seamlessly open remote RDP from somewhere else, lock the loc…
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#184It is pretty annoying to see all of the dismissive comments on this idea, in that it seems that the majority of HN audience are still stuck on the TUI-superiority mindset and they do not care about GUIs at all. Two arguments: - TUIs are not inherently superior to GUIs - SSH, as a transport layer, should support not just forwarding a pty (as a TUI display layer), but a GUI display layer as well In fact, these two argu…
> theoretically, it would be possible to run the main process separated from the renderer process on a different machine, with an appropriate IPC transport. Is this really possible? If Electron apps could do this, and we could run them on a Linux SBC like RPI with the renderer on the user's laptop, that would be interesting ...
Re: A native graphical shell for SSH
#185If this lowers the floor for small teams managing a VPS without hiring a platform person, that's a win. I'm just curious how it handles keys and jump hosts.
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Indeed, a new hire should be able to use Google to find https://puttygen.com/download-putty#Download_PuTTY_on_Linux_... in short order evil grin
apt install putty seems... useful? Don't get it.
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In the sense that typesetting and text is the rabbit hole that is 90% of UI effort. Native UI frameworks don't bother fixing the real hard problems, they focus on "widgets" instead. (Not that the web stack is a good solution to this, but at least they're making an effort and they understand the difficult issues.)
> Native UI frameworks don't bother fixing the real hard problems I'm genuinely curious what do you mean by that. My beef with web stack was exactly this - typesetting engine from 80s has been never designed for modern UI/UX needs, and it cannot adequately provide those. Whenever I interact with web apps, I experience so many glitches, weird interaction issues (especially if there is a zoom/selection/scrool involved)…
Re: A native graphical shell for SSH
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No. It’s just that now more people are using Linux the more the ux decisions that were made 40 years ago will be questioned. Almost all dev facing machines have ssh server installed and accessible. Why ssh terminal has to look like character-only trash from 1960s? Why a TUI is the best thing we pipe through ssh? Why I cannot watch a 4k movie in the terminal or browse the web using pinch to zoom ?
> Why a TUI is the best thing we pipe through ssh? `ssh -XC` (look up SSH X forwarding). You can also easily tunnel remote desktop over ssh. > Why I cannot watch a 4k movie in the terminal or browse the web using pinch to zoom ? Kitty, sixel, and iterm2
Re: A native graphical shell for SSH
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. It’s just that now more people are using Linux the more the ux decisions that were made 40 years ago will be questioned. Almost all dev facing machines have ssh server installed and accessible. Why ssh terminal has to look like character-only trash from 1960s? Why a TUI is the best thing we pipe through ssh? Why I cannot watch a 4k movie in the terminal or browse the web using pinch to zoom ?
because it is TEXT you want your GUI then set up VNC
Re: A native graphical shell for SSH
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> Why ssh terminal has to look like character-only trash from 1960s? We should re-implement it with Comic Sans and happy shiny buttons to click everywhere? Click here for "ls -alh" ?
No, but I wouldn't mind if keyboard worked properly.