USA is such a weird place these days. Is there a way back to sanity once this administration ends?
30-year sentence for transporting zines is a five-alarm fire for free speech
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#402USA is such a weird place these days. Is there a way back to sanity once this administration ends?
IMO the DNC needs to grow a spine and perform hard correction and repair. Which is to say, I don't think that will happen, and some form of collapse is inevitable.
But I'm far from a political scientist. Just an engineer with a history hobby, pattern matching.
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#403Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there actual evidence of "intent of mass murder"? It seems speculative at best.
Yes. That evidence was presented to the jury and found to be true.
The jury that the judge unconstitutionallly hand picked, because he didn't like the first jury?
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#404Earlier quoted context omitted.
It may have been self defense in the moment, but he also went out there looking for trouble and found it.
That is a far cry from murder and someone shouldnt carry a gun unless they are willing to use it. Inversely, someone shouldnt attack someone unless they accept the chance of death or harm.
I didn't say it was murder, I made the concession about self-defense, didn't I?
A nice concession from you might be to admit that kids on your side maybe shouldn't attend protests with intention to do harm.
That's basically where right and left don't see eye to eye on this.
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#405Up until now these crazy cases have been rejected by the courts. But this feels like a crack in the dam. A judge actually sentenced someone to 30 years for hiding zines, zines that had been published for years. This was under the pretense hiding those zines was hiding evidence of criminality. And the criminality was worth 75 years. For someone who was at a protest where a federal agent was shot, but was not the shoot…
All the best discussion of this is on sites that I wouldn’t want to link to on HN incase It puts me on a list in line for a 30 year prison sentence
prob zerohedge, i can say it. no need to link it.
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#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
People lose limbs all the time with fireworks
OK, July 4 is coming up, get ready to throw hundreds of thousands of people in jail for decades for setting off "explosives", right? Most fireworks, you can literally stand on top of them while they are going off and not be injured. I've seen videos of police doing it while just wearing light body armor, unphased. Stop being ridiculous. These laws about explosives were intended to be used for military-style weapons.
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#407USA is such a weird place these days. Is there a way back to sanity once this administration ends?
No country has ever recovered from this sort of thing. At best the empire collapses and the country survives as a country and becomes a vassal of a different empire (likely China, or BRICS). If recovery was possible, we wouldn't have gotten this far already.
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#408Paywalled. Irony or just American
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#409Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you think that this was a protest then yeah it's worrying. The feds case, which they did win convictions based on, was that they were terrorists who set off fireworks to lure police into an ambush, and there weren't more casualties because one of the members shot early and only injured one cop. An accessory to this who hid evidence is also part of the crime in the Feds case Is this embellished by the Feds? I think…
The pardoned Jan. 6 rioters had a lot of far worse plans that were foiled which could have resulted in more casualties. There was lots of evidence several of them planned to kidnap sitting congressmen and women. Do you know why they were pardoned and this zine hider got 30 years? Must just be a quirk of the justice system...
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#410I'll remind you about 1972:
https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/
“People have completely forgotten that in 1972 we had over nineteen hundred domestic bombings in the United States.” — Max Noel, FBI (ret.)
Current times aren't even that spicy.