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US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by rusk »

amarant wrote: post #31

Doing business with the US is just impossible these days. If this trend continues any further the US is gonna end up a piranha state with no allies and no business partners. I'm really not sure what consequences that'll have for the rest of the world, but it looks like we're about to find out

The concern is not so much that the US will lose friends moreso that other business partners will become more prominent. The US has a lot of social capital to burn. I’m not certain that somebody hasn’t calculated how much they can get away with…

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by drstewart »

amarant wrote: post #45
drstewart wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I mean, if you saw the Canadian PMs speech at davos, you'd know "the west" is already distancing itself from the US. This is not a hypothetical, it has begun. It's not like trade deals are ripped up over night, it's gonna take a while to have noticeable effect, but it is happening, and has been happening for over a year.

A speech is the definition of a hypothetical. I can show you a million Trump speeches that "show" the opposite. Something tells me you wont take those as gospel for some reason.

>It's not like trade deals are ripped up over night

Oh really? I thought we're ABOUT to find out what it's like to have no allies or business partners? Weird!

>it's gonna take a while to have noticeable effect

Ah, the magic "it's happening but I can't prove it, so trust me bro". Meanwhile, I can point you to tangible metrics showing the world is moving away from the EU to China, meaning the EU will have zero trade with anyone else in short order (trust me it's really happening).

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by coffe2mug »

amarant wrote: post #31

Doing business with the US is just impossible these days. If this trend continues any further the US is gonna end up a piranha state with no allies and no business partners. I'm really not sure what consequences that'll have for the rest of the world, but it looks like we're about to find out

Sadly nothing will change.

- Pretty sure a large number of politicians are using claude, chatGPT etc.

- Majority of researchers in EU are dependent of all of US SV companies. There are nothing equivalent. EVen if there is mistral or other open source llms - every damn Uni/company is uploading everything to claude or open AI or gemini.

- Majority see these but just move on

- 99% of EU politicians either dont care or show apathy or worse live in a moat

- Ideally EU could have forced iphone, Google to openup. They did not.

- Same with taxation. Ireland fights EU to give tax breaks

- Its f*king broken system

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by nickslaughter02 »

atoav wrote: post #3

As a European citizen I do not trust entities located in the US to not abuse my private data ever since the patriot act. If it was me that deal would have never came to be. If some EU entity decides to use Microsoft 365 can Microsoft guarantee that it won't give access to one US government agency or another? It really can't. Because if that EU entity wants to act in accordance with EU law, this matters. This is what…

> As a European citizen I do not trust entities located in the US to not abuse my private data ever since the patriot act.

EU is working on mandating scans of all your private encrypted messages right now. EU data protection is marketing for the gullible.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48707719

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by rusk »

bambax wrote: post #50
seydor wrote: post #34

The EU keeps trying to manifest the missing european data infrastructure via data regulation instead of outright bans and limits on american companies, the way China did it.

The EU should cut all ties with the US, tax US products and impose costly (and difficult to get) visas to American citizens wanting to visit. It won't do any of this because it has no balls and no vision. We're doomed and it's our fault.

> no balls and no vision

Seems to me they’re waiting it out. Everything could change in a presidential election and the European economy wins either way. It is an economic bloc after all.

What you describe would be what’s called “cutting off your nose to spite your face”

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Post by eecc »

hgtt664868 wrote: post #43
jimbob45 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ban, limits, and regulation won’t solve a country with too many worker protections. The EU simply can’t compete in the modern globalized world.

slashing worker protections would do what exactly?

free the "animal spirits"?

/s

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by eecc »

geraneum wrote: post #48
jimbob45 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ban, limits, and regulation won’t solve a country with too many worker protections. The EU simply can’t compete in the modern globalized world.

Reduced worker protections -[somehow]-> better worker output. /s

the [somehow] is pretty clear: exploitative working conditions.

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Post by vlian2088 »

amarant wrote: post #31

Doing business with the US is just impossible these days. If this trend continues any further the US is gonna end up a piranha state with no allies and no business partners. I'm really not sure what consequences that'll have for the rest of the world, but it looks like we're about to find out

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Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by 0dayz »

jimbob45 wrote: post #40
seydor wrote: post #34

The EU keeps trying to manifest the missing european data infrastructure via data regulation instead of outright bans and limits on american companies, the way China did it.

Ban, limits, and regulation won’t solve a country with too many worker protections. The EU simply can’t compete in the modern globalized world.

It's more simple than that; lack of investment due to various factors among which some are due to regulations, but also because the lower ROI you get in the USA due to corporate culture, higher cost in general (wages, energy, resources, manufacturing, etc.), slower economic growth and so on.

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by noosphr »

ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #37
xiphias2 wrote: post #26

EU needs to decide if it wants to do data processing or not. If it’s a yes, it needs datacenters and get a lot more energy. If no, it needs to transfer data to US for training/inferencing on it.

or wait for the bubble to burst and come out on top.

The internet is a fad and will pass any day now.
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