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Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by plugger »

_ZeD_ wrote: post #3

And the rest of the world people? would it be healthier? the doubt is striking me

I live in Western Australia. for 3 years we trialed DST from 2006 to 2009. It was a nightmare personally, I was a sysadmin at the time and enterprise management tools were expensive and crap so we had to roll out DST file changes across our fleet manually. And because the change to allow DST for our region was a rushed job we then had to roll back after the 3 year unsuccessful trial.

Honestly, it was super stressful at the time. And DST that doesn't exist doesn't bother you in the slightest. Every day ends and flows into the next like the last. But the stress of a clock change twice a year doesn't have to happen, it's a choice.

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by tristanj »

worthless-trash wrote: post #21
lnsru wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please name some of these countries. Europe is stuck with this nonsense and there is no hope in sight despite yearly polls showing majority people being against it.

Queensland Australia, a single state moved away from it. It is glorious.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/australia/brisbane

Queensland Australia is relatively close to the equator, and the length of day does not change dramatically between summer and winter.

DST is intended for places at higher latitudes.

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by wpm »

snowe2010 wrote: post #22
tristanj wrote: post #20

Do the anti-DST people understand what they're advocating for? Have a look at the sunset/sunrise graph for northern parts of the US https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/seattle In Seattle, without DST, sunrise happens at 4:11am. Because of DST, it's pushed back an hour later to a more reasonable 5:11am. I am not awake at 4am, I have no use for sunlight at 4am, and I don't want the sun appearing that early. That hour o…

Yeah, it’s insane. Along with that, any permanent gains in the morning will be lost as soon as it becomes normal. Businesses will just open that much earlier. And this study assumed bedtimes of 10pm, which is not the average anywhere on the planet from what I remember the last time I looked into this. The average is like past midnight.

More tyranny inflicted upon the rest of us by morning people

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by jonplackett »

AngryData wrote: post #29
tristanj wrote: post #20

Do the anti-DST people understand what they're advocating for? Have a look at the sunset/sunrise graph for northern parts of the US https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/seattle In Seattle, without DST, sunrise happens at 4:11am. Because of DST, it's pushed back an hour later to a more reasonable 5:11am. I am not awake at 4am, I have no use for sunlight at 4am, and I don't want the sun appearing that early. That hour o…

Why should the clock be set to those arbitrary points? If you want sun in the morning, wake up later, it you want sun in the evening, wake up earlier. If your issue is when work is scheduled, well businesses set their own hours, not the government.

Businesses don’t care how much sun you get

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by YossarianFrPrez »

Between this and the "Sunset time and the economic effects of social jetlag: evidence from US time zone borders" paper [0], it seems like the issue is the size of the discontinuous jump in time, not necessarily that we change the clocks. So why not "smear" the DST ST transitions by having four half hour transitions, once each quarter?

[0]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31030116/

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by wpm »

mikestorrent wrote: post #4

Are you Yanks seriously not going to get this sorted out before winter? BC has moved - can at least the rest of Cascadia get their asses in gear? Come on, California, I do not want to be dealing with a north-south time zone difference with my coworkers

Tough shit. I live on the eastern edge of Central Time, I don't want to be dealing with 3PM sunsets in December.

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by reedf1 »

tristanj wrote: post #20

Do the anti-DST people understand what they're advocating for? Have a look at the sunset/sunrise graph for northern parts of the US https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/seattle In Seattle, without DST, sunrise happens at 4:11am. Because of DST, it's pushed back an hour later to a more reasonable 5:11am. I am not awake at 4am, I have no use for sunlight at 4am, and I don't want the sun appearing that early. That hour o…

Hol up, don't fix time, there's a few guys in Seattle without curtains. Sorry everyone.

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by reedf1 »

suddenlybananas wrote: post #26
kortilla wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This just seems like a backwards justification. There is nothing wrong with a 9am sunrise or a 4:11am sunrise. People in Anchorage deal with both just fine. > I am not awake at 4am, I have no use for sunlight at 4am Most people aren’t awake at 5am either. Your use for the sun when there is an excess of it that goes well past your bedtime if you get up at 5am is irrelevant.

4am sunrise seems ludicrously early to me, but then again, even a 5am sunrise is awfully early.

Ever lived at high latitude? It's normal.

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by user43928 »

AngryData wrote: post #29
tristanj wrote: post #20

Do the anti-DST people understand what they're advocating for? Have a look at the sunset/sunrise graph for northern parts of the US https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/seattle In Seattle, without DST, sunrise happens at 4:11am. Because of DST, it's pushed back an hour later to a more reasonable 5:11am. I am not awake at 4am, I have no use for sunlight at 4am, and I don't want the sun appearing that early. That hour o…

Why should the clock be set to those arbitrary points? If you want sun in the morning, wake up later, it you want sun in the evening, wake up earlier. If your issue is when work is scheduled, well businesses set their own hours, not the government.

Working hours will not change.

I will fight tooth and nail against attempts to take one hour of daylight from me in the evenings for half of the year.

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

AngryData wrote: post #29
tristanj wrote: post #20

Do the anti-DST people understand what they're advocating for? Have a look at the sunset/sunrise graph for northern parts of the US https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/seattle In Seattle, without DST, sunrise happens at 4:11am. Because of DST, it's pushed back an hour later to a more reasonable 5:11am. I am not awake at 4am, I have no use for sunlight at 4am, and I don't want the sun appearing that early. That hour o…

Why should the clock be set to those arbitrary points? If you want sun in the morning, wake up later, it you want sun in the evening, wake up earlier. If your issue is when work is scheduled, well businesses set their own hours, not the government.

Then we should have timezones based not just on longitude, but also latitude. So northerly locales can get some sleep in the spring/summer/fall.

> If your issue is when work is scheduled, well businesses set their own hours, not the government.

Ah, someone who doesn't have kids in school/camp/some random activity yet.

We know how this goes in China (one time zone, no daylight savings time). Coming home from the bar in Beijing with the sun showing up at 4 AM was quaint back then, but I'm definitely glad we have DST in the states.

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