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Re: Free the Icons

#91

Post by ryukoposting »

al_borland wrote: post #45
nrightnour wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure visionOS requires it? Having an icon be a few px smaller so a microphone can stick out, doesn't seem like a big deal for tracking.

The thing sticking outside of the icon draws the eye to it, which means your focus is at the edge instead of the center, which makes for a more error prone experience. Since the eyes are the cursor, this is a problem. Desktop and mobile don’t have this issue.

> The thing sticking outside of the icon draws the eye to it, which means your focus is at the edge instead of the center, which makes for a more error prone experience.

And Apple decided this was a problem with icons, rather than a problem with the way they implemented their vision tracking? Believable, and laughable.

Re: Free the Icons

#92

Post by nanapipirara »

Someone posted an old MacOS screenshot on Reddit and it was immediately obvious that the icons without a silhouette were the worst out of all of them.

Like iTunes / Books / App Store. And that's basically what they went with eventually...

Dashboard and Launcher are fine, but they have a reason to be a circle. (Well Launcher less so maybe)

Chrome is terrible, it represents nothing. But I guess it's just a brand.

I wish we could go back to this instead of squircles...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/s/9MZsGioCG6

Re: Free the Icons

#94

Post by nok22kon »

_0xdd wrote: post #59

It's still a bit jarring to me to see how far Apple embraced form over function with iOS and subsequently macOS. I remember reading the Human Interface Guidelines from the late Mac OS 9/early Mac OS X days and being taken aback by the level of detail and thought that went into those interfaces. Don't get me wrong, some things made no sense (brushed metal was... a choice) but there was a certain level of polish that I…

it's market changed

it started as a computer for professionals

now its for people who want to look cool. so form is much more important than function, it's literally what you buy

Re: Free the Icons

#95

Post by pitched »

The only reason to run MacOS over Linux is the hardware. Arm MacBooks are unreasonably good but don’t support Linux (Asahi is still a bit WIP).

They sell hardware, not software, so the state of things makes sense. It is so disappointing though.

Re: Free the Icons

#96

Post by pitched »

mrkstu wrote: post #76
WillAdams wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obvious solution, two different icons, round one for Vision OS, more shapely one for everyone else.

Or squirqle jail just on vision OS

Or squirgle jail on a transparent background instead of a grey one? Why would cursor collision with an image stop working because a new input method?

Re: Free the Icons

#97

Post by refactor_master »

nok22kon wrote: post #94
_0xdd wrote: post #59

It's still a bit jarring to me to see how far Apple embraced form over function with iOS and subsequently macOS. I remember reading the Human Interface Guidelines from the late Mac OS 9/early Mac OS X days and being taken aback by the level of detail and thought that went into those interfaces. Don't get me wrong, some things made no sense (brushed metal was... a choice) but there was a certain level of polish that I…

it's market changed it started as a computer for professionals now its for people who want to look cool. so form is much more important than function, it's literally what you buy

Is that why their laptops routinely beat the competition year after year in reviews and reliability surveys? Because they “look cool”? I’m going to need some more numbers on that one.

Re: Free the Icons

#99

Post by [deleted] »

al_borland wrote: post #45
nrightnour wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure visionOS requires it? Having an icon be a few px smaller so a microphone can stick out, doesn't seem like a big deal for tracking.

The thing sticking outside of the icon draws the eye to it, which means your focus is at the edge instead of the center, which makes for a more error prone experience. Since the eyes are the cursor, this is a problem. Desktop and mobile don’t have this issue.

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Re: Free the Icons

#100

Post by jay_kyburz »

al_borland wrote: post #45
nrightnour wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure visionOS requires it? Having an icon be a few px smaller so a microphone can stick out, doesn't seem like a big deal for tracking.

The thing sticking outside of the icon draws the eye to it, which means your focus is at the edge instead of the center, which makes for a more error prone experience. Since the eyes are the cursor, this is a problem. Desktop and mobile don’t have this issue.

Where you are looking should not be the cursor, that is obviously dumb. Should be where your nose is pointing.
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