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Free the Icons

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Re: Free the Icons

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post #43

> the much-celebrated Liquid Glass opacity slider The Liquid Glass slider is an embarrassing outright admission of failure. Apple built its brand as a tastemaker, so to put out this new, controversial design language, and after a year of tweaking, finally throw their hands up and say "we don't know what looks good, you decide" is so disappointing. That said, all the changes in iOS 27 are such a massive improvement fr…

> outright admission of failure Right!? Who's out there going "oh no, translucent is too translucent; opaque is too opaque; but now that I can have 72.93% glass, my life is complete"?

Apple designers

Re: Free the Icons

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Golden Gate is better but it hasn't fixed your icons unfortunately

The thing which kills me, is that with entirety of the State of California's Gazetteer to pull from, Apple didn't pull a page from Android and use an alphabetically ordered naming scheme so that folks could determine ordering of versions.

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Re: Free the Icons

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post #67

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He thinks Dye was never good enough to be at Apple and that he would think of leaving proves it

Is there something you perceive as unfair about judging a guy on the output of the work he was responsible for over a long period of time?

You will note that this is not what is being judged as I described in my comment that you just replied to

Re: Free the Icons

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Gruber does not have a monopoly on disliking Alan Dye’s work. On the contrary, I never met anyone who knew UI design was a thing that liked what he did. When you’re using a tool for 40 years and someone who really has no clue gets in charge, starts breaking basic functionality for no good reason and affecting your day to day work, it’s not hard to get infuriated.

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Re: Free the Icons

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post #70

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So what? Thats not MacOS. I think things are fine on iOS. I don’t mind the rectangles, they fit the grid. That’s how it’s always been. I don’t care about VisionOS. Circles are odd, whatever. But the Mac shouldn’t be forced to lose great design because iOS was under different constraints almost 20 years ago. That’s just dumb.

They were trying to make a unified design language across all their operating systems. If iOS and VisionOS both have their icons sitting on uniformly shaped tiles, macOS would break the convention. I don't like it, but I believe that's the reason why.

Oh I’m sure that’s why they did it. It’s not a good reason. It’s like saying all the food you eat should be beige.

Sure it’s more consistent, but at what cost? You lose all the benefits. It’s like Chesterton’s Fence, except it has a big sign on it saying “beware of bull” and there is a guy nearby saying “you don’t want to let that bull out dude, it’s vicious”.

But you want to take down the fence because it’s not the same style as the one on the pen for the chickens.

Re: Free the Icons

#86
Apple will never care about what users want, they only do what Apple want. If you want to free anything, don't use Apple. It's an obvious lesson that should have been learned a long time ago.

Re: Free the Icons

#87
post #3

Tahoe was such a huge mess, but I'm hopeful that the new CEO will turn things around and bring things back to normal. If they do, I'll consider upgrading both OS and laptop, but right now I'm holding on to Sequoia

They have a new head designer too IIRC, but probably is going to take some time for him to slowly move away from the mess he inherited.

> slowly move away from the mess he inherited.

The mess he actively implemented and was an integral part of?

Why do people keep thinking that Alan Dye was the only person (apparently with God-like powers) who somehow forced and designed Liquid Glass alone, in isolation, and somehow sneaked it in to every Apple platform.

Re: Free the Icons

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post #46

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They have a new head designer too IIRC, but probably is going to take some time for him to slowly move away from the mess he inherited.

Alan Dye was brought in during the Jony Ive era when they were launching the first Apple Watch because he came from a fashion/print background. Before Apple really figured out what the Watch was going to be (a health/fitness accessory for your phone) they were going for the "luxury fashion" angle. Somehow when Ive left, Dye got put in charge of design even though he had zero experience in software design that anyone…

> Now Stephen Lemay is in charge, who's been at Apple for many years and actually knows stuff about software design

And who was Dye's second in command, and who was integral in coming up with Liquid Glass, designing it, and forcing it down everyone's throat.

Re: Free the Icons

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Gruber does not have a monopoly on disliking Alan Dye’s work. On the contrary, I never met anyone who knew UI design was a thing that liked what he did. When you’re using a tool for 40 years and someone who really has no clue gets in charge, starts breaking basic functionality for no good reason and affecting your day to day work, it’s not hard to get infuriated.

How do you think thay worked? Alan Dye alome came up with, designed and somehow forced Liquid Glass into every platform? Lemay, who was his second in command had nothing to do with it? It was Alan Dye single-handedly doing it?

Re: Free the Icons

#90
post #26

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Why volunteer? Why not find a way to pay someone for the value of their time at market rate and release the product of their labor under a permissive license?

For the last 25+ years I've been hearing folks say: "why not find a way". But then not suggest anything more than that obvious answer. Please suggest an actual path forward, an actual plan that is more than just "figure it out". And the plan needs to address at least 1/2 of the points I made above. It's a "Hard Problem". The answer needs lots of time, likely money and at least two humans with strong drive to fix the…

Linux these days is almost exclusively developed by companies with combined value exceeding Apple's several-fold.

Finding money and designers is not really a hard problem.

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