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The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by pyuser583 »

belorn wrote: post #286
pyuser583 wrote: post #204

Aren’t Swedish political parties mostly publicly funded?

Parties get goverment funding based on election result, with a minimum floor of 2.5% votes in national elections. This party is way too small for that, and is primarily focused on local election.

Ok so it’s basically a political startup.

It sounds like once the party gets actual influence, its real funding will be determined by the Swedish people.

Doesn’t this make the situation less harmful, or at least fundamentally different from say Elon Musk?

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by ouraf »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #509
kfreds wrote: post #118

Hi, Mullvad has two owners, founders, and CEOs - Daniel Berntsson, and me, Fredrik Strömberg. All posts I've seen yesterday and today, including the newspaper articles, talk about Mullvad as if Daniel is the single owner, founder and CEO. It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission. If you have any questions, comments or concerns you're welcome t…

Fredrik, while acknowledging everything you said, the fact remains some of my money can end up empowering politics I find repugnant. If it were a small amount of money, it wouldn’t be an issue. If the politics at stake were less important, it wouldn’t be an issue. They’re not going to stop at immigration, look at other places in the world to see the future risk. Sorry, I was a paying and satisfied customer, and now I…

If you bought the product, the money went to the company. You don't need to take personal responsibility beyond that, and the company isn't doing the thing you hate so much. By the same token that "some of your money might end up (after many twists and turns) empowering politics you find repugnant", a much bigger share of this money is paying for the food on the table of the employees, their families and their children.

How many people unrelated with your personal gripe, people that were doing a good job since you were paying and satisfied customer, are you willing to punish in order to "send a message"?

This is an impossible standard to live by and demand from everything you buy and every service you pay for. Doubly so if you need to announce to the world you're dropping a product because of something that isn't done by or responsibility of its employees.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by iioiio »

gpvos wrote: post #198

"Mullvad AB and its parent company Amagicom AB are 100% owned by founders [1 person] and Daniel Berntsson [...]"[0] So I'll assume he owns about 50%. Well, that ends my usage of Mullvad.[1] I appreciate that probably many of Mullvad's employees have different views, and obviously Berntsson has every right to his opinions and to express them, and I also appreciate that someone can have control over an opinionated comp…

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Post by skulk »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #793
gpm wrote: post #773

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The speech people are objecting to isn't anti-immgiration. It is pro crimes against humanity against people who previously immigrated, and their descendants. A stance that Sweden should reduce the amount of immigration they accept would be utterly unremarkable and never result in outrage like this.

> A stance that Sweden should reduce the amount of immigration they accept would be utterly unremarkable and never result in outrage like this. I don't believe this claim, because immigration is a live political issue in my country (the United States) just as it is in Sweden; and people absolutely claim that reducing the amount of immigration the US accepts is immoral and genocidal. Seriously, claims of this nature a…

Immigration in the US is a completely different problem with its own crazy complex history of cause and effect. Using one as a lens to study the other seems foolish at best.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by zarzavat »

yreg wrote: post #419
drbscl wrote: post #310

Wikipedia of the party in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party# Doesn't really sound all that far-right to me. Nationalist, sure. I'm not Swedish though, so I would be interested in the thoughts of those who are actually affected by Örebropartiet's policies.

>Doesn't really sound all that far-right to me. To me too, then I got to the leaders quote on TV: "We must deport these damn parasites who sit and live at our expense." Yeah, okay. I know some politicians who speak like that, I feel I get the picture.

You have to consider the context which is that Sweden does have an awful lot of fake refugees mixed in with the real refugees. "Parasite" is harsh but unfortunately all too accurate for some of the migrants who are essentially gaming a system intended for people in real distress.

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Post by fzeroracer »

HDBaseT wrote: post #849
fzeroracer wrote: post #837

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Mullvad isn't doing anything here. A person within Mullvad is. If I work for Google and buy a BMW, that doesn't mean Google endorses BMW. > while cozying up to the government Uh, the Örebro Party isn't even elected. In fact, they have 0 seats at the Swedish parliament. A political entity =/= The Government.

This isn't 'a person', this is one of 'THE' people. Elon Musk is technically just 'a person' at Tesla, but their actions have clear and profound effects. The same is true here.

When you're a founder or one of the c-suite your actions represent the full company. That's part of your job.

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Post by deaux »

kamaitachi wrote: post #134
kfreds wrote: post #118

Hi, Mullvad has two owners, founders, and CEOs - Daniel Berntsson, and me, Fredrik Strömberg. All posts I've seen yesterday and today, including the newspaper articles, talk about Mullvad as if Daniel is the single owner, founder and CEO. It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission. If you have any questions, comments or concerns you're welcome t…

Hi Fredrik I’m a long time Mullvad customer, likely paid Mullvad upward of 400€ in the past number of years, as well as recommended it to friends and family members. What you seem to be missing in your comment, is that some of that money I paid, found its way to support an organisation that has extreme racist views. I’ve reached out to support and requested a refund of my outstanding credit. I’ll be moving on.

Hi Kamaitachi,

What you seem to be missing is that every single € you've spent on virtually anything in the past number of years, some of it has found its way to support organisations that have extreme racist views.

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Post by deaux »

techblueberry wrote: post #331
gray_-_wolf wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Geez, I hope you do not pay give any money to Google, Microsoft and such. Yes? I have been divesting from big tech. Not only do I feel good about it but the side effects have been positive too.

Yet Mullvad is small tech. These people work at non-Mullvad small-tech all the same. Such people work everywhere.

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Post by sph »

I am anti-racist, son of immigrants, son of a mixed race couple, yet what scares me is the mobbing of people against other that have a different opinion than yours, as seen in this thread.

Plenty saying they cannot in good conscience support Mullvad, while directly and indirectly giving money to people like Bezos, Musk or Cook, among others, or supporting politicians from both aisles, who have the power to do much worse at a greater scale. I call this hypocrisy, and it is widespread in social media driven mob mentality. Intolerance about intolerants turns you an intolerant.

I like Mullvad the company, and I know that people might support politics I find despicable. Such is life outside of silly internet echo chambers.

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