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Re: .garden TLD's change to a bad neighborhood

#21

Post by drdexebtjl »

strictnein wrote: post #12
fabstei wrote: post #4

A concrete counterexample: plantura.garden is a large, reputable German-language gardening magazine / brand, and probably exactly the kind of legitimate site one would expect on .garden. So while the abuse numbers may well justify treating newly registered / low-reputation .garden domains with suspicion, blanket-blocking the entire TLD seems like it would create real collateral damage.

For businesses, it's not a valid reason to not block .garden simply because a gardening site exists. If a site is important enough, exceptions to the blanket rule can be applied. In general though, if you want Fortune 500s to utilize your service/company, don't utilize a novelty TLD.

Blanket ban rules are extremely lazy and unacceptable in 2026, especially for Fortune 500s. It’s extremely cheap to use a scoring system instead.

Re: .garden TLD's change to a bad neighborhood

#23

Post by thih9 »

drdexebtjl wrote: post #21
strictnein wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For businesses, it's not a valid reason to not block .garden simply because a gardening site exists. If a site is important enough, exceptions to the blanket rule can be applied. In general though, if you want Fortune 500s to utilize your service/company, don't utilize a novelty TLD.

Blanket ban rules are extremely lazy and unacceptable in 2026, especially for Fortune 500s. It’s extremely cheap to use a scoring system instead.

Sure, but blanket bans are even cheaper.

Re: .garden TLD's change to a bad neighborhood

#25

Post by kingforaday »

strictnein wrote: post #12
fabstei wrote: post #4

A concrete counterexample: plantura.garden is a large, reputable German-language gardening magazine / brand, and probably exactly the kind of legitimate site one would expect on .garden. So while the abuse numbers may well justify treating newly registered / low-reputation .garden domains with suspicion, blanket-blocking the entire TLD seems like it would create real collateral damage.

For businesses, it's not a valid reason to not block .garden simply because a gardening site exists. If a site is important enough, exceptions to the blanket rule can be applied. In general though, if you want Fortune 500s to utilize your service/company, don't utilize a novelty TLD.

Would you consider .aero, .cat, .asia, .info novelties? They have been around for 20+ years. Sure, there are over 1500 gTLDs now, but when does something stop becoming a novelty? .ai a ccTLD, that Google recognizes as a gTLD, is that a novelty? These are a bit rhetorical.

Re: .garden TLD's change to a bad neighborhood

#26

Post by Bender »

kingforaday wrote: post #25
strictnein wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For businesses, it's not a valid reason to not block .garden simply because a gardening site exists. If a site is important enough, exceptions to the blanket rule can be applied. In general though, if you want Fortune 500s to utilize your service/company, don't utilize a novelty TLD.

Would you consider .aero, .cat, .asia, .info novelties? They have been around for 20+ years. Sure, there are over 1500 gTLDs now, but when does something stop becoming a novelty? .ai a ccTLD, that Google recognizes as a gTLD, is that a novelty? These are a bit rhetorical.

I would define them by the bar to entry. When a spammer can pick up thousands of domains for a few hundred bucks or less because a dodgy registrar is intentionally selling all domains on a specific TLD for next to nothing I find it safe to block anything on that TLD. I have always done this for email both personally and professionally and never once received any push-back. I explained the risk of collateral damage and leadership was always fine with it. Customers were B2B and could log in to open a ticket. Customer emails would come from domains we already trusted in their on-boarding process.

Re: .garden TLD's change to a bad neighborhood

#27

Post by Martinussen »

drdexebtjl wrote: post #21
strictnein wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For businesses, it's not a valid reason to not block .garden simply because a gardening site exists. If a site is important enough, exceptions to the blanket rule can be applied. In general though, if you want Fortune 500s to utilize your service/company, don't utilize a novelty TLD.

Blanket ban rules are extremely lazy and unacceptable in 2026, especially for Fortune 500s. It’s extremely cheap to use a scoring system instead.

Unacceptable for who? It's definitely more than acceptable for a lot of people.

Re: .garden TLD's change to a bad neighborhood

#28

Post by ctippett »

kingforaday wrote: post #25
strictnein wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For businesses, it's not a valid reason to not block .garden simply because a gardening site exists. If a site is important enough, exceptions to the blanket rule can be applied. In general though, if you want Fortune 500s to utilize your service/company, don't utilize a novelty TLD.

Would you consider .aero, .cat, .asia, .info novelties? They have been around for 20+ years. Sure, there are over 1500 gTLDs now, but when does something stop becoming a novelty? .ai a ccTLD, that Google recognizes as a gTLD, is that a novelty? These are a bit rhetorical.

I can't speak for the others, but registering a .aero domain requires submitting an application that's reviewed by a human and assessed based on the domain's relevancy to the aviation industry.

Re: .garden TLD's change to a bad neighborhood

#29

Post by ctoth »

strictnein wrote: post #12
fabstei wrote: post #4

A concrete counterexample: plantura.garden is a large, reputable German-language gardening magazine / brand, and probably exactly the kind of legitimate site one would expect on .garden. So while the abuse numbers may well justify treating newly registered / low-reputation .garden domains with suspicion, blanket-blocking the entire TLD seems like it would create real collateral damage.

For businesses, it's not a valid reason to not block .garden simply because a gardening site exists. If a site is important enough, exceptions to the blanket rule can be applied. In general though, if you want Fortune 500s to utilize your service/company, don't utilize a novelty TLD.

> In general though, if you want Fortune 500s to utilize your service/company, don't utilize a novelty TLD.

New potential technique to not have your open source project yoinked/resold by cloud providers? :)

Re: .garden TLD's change to a bad neighborhood

#30

Post by strictnein »

drdexebtjl wrote: post #21
strictnein wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For businesses, it's not a valid reason to not block .garden simply because a gardening site exists. If a site is important enough, exceptions to the blanket rule can be applied. In general though, if you want Fortune 500s to utilize your service/company, don't utilize a novelty TLD.

Blanket ban rules are extremely lazy and unacceptable in 2026, especially for Fortune 500s. It’s extremely cheap to use a scoring system instead.

Really don't understand what "unacceptable" even means in this context. It is perfectly acceptable for a company to control internet access.

More to the point though, what is this cheap and easy domain scoring system that does a better job than a blanket ban?

The best domain reputation provider, DomainTools, definitely isn't providing their data for cheap, nor is it always the fastest. We pay a substantial amount to them for thousands of requests a day, something we reserve for enriching actual security incidents, not because someone wants to go to catparty.foobar or whatever.

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