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Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by shermantanktop »

Buying a physical DVD means you own the item and have it in your hands.

"Buying" a streaming movie means that you enter into an agreement with an online service that promises to make your experience the rough equivalent of physical ownership. But to do that they have to solve a pile of problems, and solve those forever for as long as your purchase is valid.

Realistically, Sony will have service outages, they will have contract disputes, they may have data loss, security incidents, etc., all of which can make your "bought" content unavailable either temporarily or permanently. The real question is what type of agreement Sony had with StudioCanal.

None of this would ever affect your DVD. So the word "buying" wrt a streaming movie is easy to understand, but a bit misleading in practice. It's clear what Sony is signing up to provide; it's just hard to see how they can provide that consistently over the time period involved.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by happyopossum »

mghackerlady wrote: post #7

Why do people buy movies digitally anyway? I can understand digital movies (they are convenient) but renting or streaming seems far more reasonable. If you truly want to own a movie as I suspect people who buy them digitally do, the only way to ensure that is to buy it on DVD/Blu-ray and rip (or redeem the digital code version that often comes with modern releases, though those tend to have DRM). Even then, why do pe…

Kids and convenience. 99% of the movies I’ve bought from iTunes are kids movies. Some of them were watched over and over and over.

DVDs and Blu-rays I purchased from the same era required a) advance planning and b) care. To the second point, most of the physical media is now destroyed (scratched, stepped on, lost, or just degraded), but I still have access to the copy of Cars I bought almost 20 years ago from Apple.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by dfxm12 »

nekusar wrote: post #65
dfxm12 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I was adding a pertinent point of discussion in a discussion board. It is fun. I suggest you try it.

Snarky shit aside... Why should I pay to be treated as a criminal, when pirating is better in every way and costs nothing? There is no option of "Pay for digital copy of show that permits format/time shifting and backup for as long as I want, with no DRM". Like GOG. Doesn't exist in the pay realm.

It seems like you're just adding more and more qualifiers until you can finally justify piracy to yourself. You can reasonably do what you want if you buy the disc. There's a good chance that's how the people you're downloading from did it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

shermantanktop wrote: post #71

Buying a physical DVD means you own the item and have it in your hands. "Buying" a streaming movie means that you enter into an agreement with an online service that promises to make your experience the rough equivalent of physical ownership. But to do that they have to solve a pile of problems, and solve those forever for as long as your purchase is valid. Realistically, Sony will have service outages, they will hav…

Consumers went wild over digital media distribution, because of its quality, its lossless copying, and the ease of reproduction and transmission. When CDs and DVDs appeared on the scene, I never dreamed that they would only be a temporary stepping-stone to intangible cloud downloads. But Napster happened.

The RIAA, MPAA, and entire industries were vehemently opposed to digital media (and recording in general) and fought digital distribution every step of the way, tooth and nail, until all the DRM and gatekeeping was in place.

Perhaps we were both on the wrong side of history?

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by ahtihn »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #70
ahtihn wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> BluRay no, because your player's keys can be revoked when you pop in a new disc Wait what? How? How is that possibly legal?

Key revocation applies to releases published after the revocation date. Old media should continue playing with a compromised device key.

That wasn't what was implied then. If old media continues playing then it's still "forever".

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by trashb »

CivBase wrote: post #6

"I buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing."

I hate this phrase, it is not a good analog for the situation and it slanders piracy. I understand the idea behind it and I hate the streaming/renting/digital purchase model as much as the next guy.

If you don't want to pay for streaming own up to it, buy it on physical or steal it (make an illegitimate copy). But don't pretend you would pay for it if it was delivered in a different agreement.

Do you expect to keep driving a rented car forever? Even if the car is only available through rent?

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by crazygringo »

paxys wrote: post #49
pixelatedindex wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably at the time of sale they had rights to it. They lost it later, but should have at least had secured rights to people who bought the damn thing.

If the contract has an end date then there’s no reason not to mention it during the sale.

It's not very helpful if the contract gets renewed 99.9% of the time, but in this case it didn't happen to.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by Anechoic »

dingaling wrote: post #45
dfxm12 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terminator 2 is currently $8 for a bluray on amazon. $10 for a DVD. This is reasonably a forever version.

DVD perhaps yes, until the disc degrades. BluRay no, because your player's keys can be revoked when you pop in a new disc.

DVD perhaps yes, until the disc degrades.

Which is the same constraint as pretty much any other physical item one might purchase. "reasonably a forever" is a reasonable description.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by nekusar »

dfxm12 wrote: post #73
nekusar wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snarky shit aside... Why should I pay to be treated as a criminal, when pirating is better in every way and costs nothing? There is no option of "Pay for digital copy of show that permits format/time shifting and backup for as long as I want, with no DRM". Like GOG. Doesn't exist in the pay realm.

It seems like you're just adding more and more qualifiers until you can finally justify piracy to yourself. You can reasonably do what you want if you buy the disc. There's a good chance that's how the people you're downloading from did it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah thats also how I do it.

I have a cool 16 DVD/Bluray ripping rig. Even have scripts that convert ripped images into MKV's with all audio and subtitles, art, etc. Uploads into my Jellyfin.

And yes, I do buy VHS, DVDs, and Blurays. I have probably 3000 movies in physical format, and 10000 audio CDs. I also rip old VHS, which you usually cant find any torrents of. Again, I specialize in rare stuff you cant buy retail or find.

There's also illegal shows, like the old WKRP in Cincinnati. They licensed for TV only multiple songs. Pink Floyd and other artists refuse to license now. Nobody can legally sell them, even if you have the money. Piracy is the only way for the complete show.

There's also a lot more shows that languished in licening hell for decades, or theyre still unobtainable at any price. Some you can get redacted versions, but the originals are illegal no matter what. And as an (well, illegal, but I DGAF) archivist, having shows intentionally lost due to pervasive greed is just... more wrong.

The Wonder Years - finally published in 2021, LOTS of cuts made

China Beach - published in 2013 after clearing hundreds of songs. 17 segments were cut due to licensing fuckery

Northern Exposure - multiple songs redacted on republishing

Pee-wee's Playhouse - multiple songs redacted on republishing

Beavis and Butt-Head - DVD was a hackjob with dozens of songs changed/parodied.

Cold Case - too much licensed content, cant republish

Third Watch - too much licensed content, cant republish

The Drew Carey Show - massive music rights issues, cant republish

Malcolm in the Middle - massive music rights issues, cant republish

Little Monsters (1989) - massive music rights issues, cant republish

Heavy Metal (1981) - tons of rights issues, cant republish

Kids Incorporated / Class of 1999 2 - tons of rights issues, cant republish

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