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Writing and coding are not the same thing; coding is a means to an end, since you don’t use the code , you use the software. This means the mechanism by which the code was created is orthogonal to the software as you’d experience it as a user. There are many reasons to curate what goes into the software - for example, if it must be maintainable, if it must conform to standards that cannot be fully codified into the s…
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Regarding 2 Isn't it possible that people who think LLMs are awesome at coding are in fact bad at it themselves, leading to them over estimating the LLMs "skill"? To me it feels like people telling on themselves that they aren't very good
I don’t consider myself an expert, but I’ve been programming for the last 6 years, and of those 6 years I’ve spent almost all my spare time programming during this period except for a 1 year hiatus. This includes personal projects with a decent amount of users, and 1 sold project. I’m not the best programmer, but I wouldn’t say I’m bad at all. Question to you, have you actually used a leading model like Fable when it…
So can just copying from Stack Overflow, or taking from Open Source repos
There have always been reasons why we didn't prefer to do that in the past, but I guess laundering it through LLMs is fine. And that's just the tip of the ethical ice berg
High volumes of unvetted code is a bad practice. If the code winds up working out fine then congrats you won the slot machine. It's still a bad practice and very, very stupid to become reliant on
And by the way, I had been programming for longer than you have before I even graduated high school, if that matters
Machine hater and manual labour worshiper..he thinks he got stupid because he stopped doing if/else and for-loops. Life is full of complexity and it might be helpful to get one level-up in abstraction to try to solve real problems and other people actually care about.
And it's a good thing, it means I think differently.
The fact is, one could pump literally 10k LOC/Day using LLMs, and in the right hands, those will be quality code, and this is objective observation from someone who has been coding for 20+ years. It almost feels like we have tractors for mechanical thinking, but there are those in the industry who built their entire career and identity on the bottleneck of coding, and those struggle.
But those people will be left out, forgotten. Progress doesn't care about feelings and identities, entire civilizations with their minds collapsed, and buried because they didn't adapt to progress. Do you really think your ego can help you to shelter from that when many before you parished?
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I don’t have those problems You have to build your architecture modularly so you’re never having to reason about more than the schema and api-contracts for IPC
Well... again, I'm giving the LLM total freedom to destroy what's there and start from scratch. That could nudge it to structure the code base more like that. It would be totally different if I told that to a junior developer. But imo LLMs don't really structure code well or as well as humans could.
Why would you use it like that as a default?
Like the first thing you should do when talking to an LLM about a project is to have it discuss exit criteria, scoping, rules, and managing the smallest thing to ship to get iteration started
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I don’t consider myself an expert, but I’ve been programming for the last 6 years, and of those 6 years I’ve spent almost all my spare time programming during this period except for a 1 year hiatus. This includes personal projects with a decent amount of users, and 1 sold project. I’m not the best programmer, but I wouldn’t say I’m bad at all. Question to you, have you actually used a leading model like Fable when it…
I mean sure. It can get stuff done faster So can just copying from Stack Overflow, or taking from Open Source repos There have always been reasons why we didn't prefer to do that in the past, but I guess laundering it through LLMs is fine. And that's just the tip of the ethical ice berg High volumes of unvetted code is a bad practice. If the code winds up working out fine then congrats you won the slot machine. It's…
Who said it’s unvetted?
Sure it matters
"you haven’t done any of the hard thinking you would normally do in writing the code yourself" It's true, I spend less time solving problems that arise naturally from the process of implementation. But implementation errors have a poor signal-to-noise ratio. For every error that exposes a real design problem there are 10 others that involve routine fixes: type errors, scope issues, import resolution, dependencies. Th…
| type errors, scope issues, import resolution, dependencies. I write code myself and use the LLM to find mistakes then fix them manually. I recommend inverting the conventional wisdom on LLMs: 1. Don't use it to write code. It's a terrible programmer. But it's an intelligent rubber duck and a solid analysis tool. 2. Write the code yourself. It'll go faster than figuring it out as you go along. It's just typing if yo…
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Regarding 2 Isn't it possible that people who think LLMs are awesome at coding are in fact bad at it themselves, leading to them over estimating the LLMs "skill"? To me it feels like people telling on themselves that they aren't very good
I don’t consider myself an expert, but I’ve been programming for the last 6 years, and of those 6 years I’ve spent almost all my spare time programming during this period except for a 1 year hiatus. This includes personal projects with a decent amount of users, and 1 sold project. I’m not the best programmer, but I wouldn’t say I’m bad at all. Question to you, have you actually used a leading model like Fable when it…
I've heard a million people say their LLM workflow produces amazing code. But I have never actually seen the amazing code allegedly being produced. Where are the people saying "I love when my coworkers send me AI-generate PRs"?
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I don’t consider myself an expert, but I’ve been programming for the last 6 years, and of those 6 years I’ve spent almost all my spare time programming during this period except for a 1 year hiatus. This includes personal projects with a decent amount of users, and 1 sold project. I’m not the best programmer, but I wouldn’t say I’m bad at all. Question to you, have you actually used a leading model like Fable when it…
People are generally bad at judging themselves, and for some reason even worse about judging their agents' output. I've heard a million people say their LLM workflow produces amazing code. But I have never actually seen the amazing code allegedly being produced. Where are the people saying "I love when my coworkers send me AI-generate PRs"?
that’s like saying a book is only worth reading if each sentence is beautiful
To me I couldn’t care less as long as the overall story is coherent, and I care more about the idea density in the book.
Lord of the rings is a great book because of the ideas, not because Tolkien is the best writer ever.
Same with AI. I couldn’t care less if some of its code is crap, if it is dense with ideas and generally good execution. If it writes crap code sections I can “beautify” myself.
Plus LLMs are only going to improve… they have improved so much since ChatGPT 3. It’s insane.
And the arguments saying they haven’t can’t be taken in good faith
"you haven’t done any of the hard thinking you would normally do in writing the code yourself" It's true, I spend less time solving problems that arise naturally from the process of implementation. But implementation errors have a poor signal-to-noise ratio. For every error that exposes a real design problem there are 10 others that involve routine fixes: type errors, scope issues, import resolution, dependencies. Th…
This is half question, half thought experiment: What exactly is it that makes us think „great, I can delegate coding to the agent, and focus on architecture myself“, instead of „great, I can delegate coding to the agent, and I can delegate architecture to the agent, and I can focus on myself“? And how many levels up can you construct this sentence before things go south? What I‘m implying with this question is, of co…
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> I see this sentiment often, and I’m honestly not sure where this comes from, as it’s really not been my experience If you see people saying it often, but you are convinced they are just feeling threatened, what AI generated software would point to to say, "Look at this! Definitive evidence that they are just coping!"
>If you see people saying it often, but you are convinced they are just feeling threatened, what AI generated software would point to to say, "Look at this! Definitive evidence that they are just coping!" This is a trap. Anyone who answers this will see the goalposts being moved yet again. 95% of our code at a top in market global fintech is now written by agents. We make it write good code, and it does.