... use Monero. Why author didn't start with this claim? Intention would be more clear
What is the clear intention?
Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech
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Re: Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech
#522If we taught systems thinking in schools things like internet age verification would never get past being an idea on the back of a napkin. People struggle to consider the second-, third-, and nth-order effects of anything so asking them to consider what else might happen if we bring in laws and technical mechanisms to 'protect the children' is unfortunately too a big leap for a lot of them. Most people are bad at spo…
Nth order effects are unpredictable. You can only observe them after the fact. Systems thinking is a debugging methodology, not at all
a crystal ball.
Re: Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech
#523If we taught systems thinking in schools things like internet age verification would never get past being an idea on the back of a napkin. People struggle to consider the second-, third-, and nth-order effects of anything so asking them to consider what else might happen if we bring in laws and technical mechanisms to 'protect the children' is unfortunately too a big leap for a lot of them. Most people are bad at spo…
Nth order effects are unpredictable. You can only observe them after the fact. Systems thinking is a debugging methodology, not at all
a crystal ball. Witness: your comment makes a bunch of predictions that are very unlikely to be true.
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#524I hear these alarm bells but what I don't understand is what the solution is to non-human or state actor internet commenting or social media campaigns. Most (maybe all?) sites are full of this. Without any sort of verification - how can this ever be solved?
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#525This is already happening if you want to visit the US. Customs officers will look at your social media accounts to make sure you are compliant.
surveillance of foreigners (particularly) with residence in a different country is a different issue from surveillance of own citizens.
Technically true but as the commentator below you says, easily circumvented. Perhaps it's better to think of privacy/freedom of thought as a global human right...
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#526Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you talked to any high school students or teachers lately? The ones I have (via my kids) are all articulate, thoughtful, and kind. It gives me a lot of hope for the future.
I mean, not surprisingly, this is entirely geographic and system dependent. Do your high school teachers (or elementary) have to wear body cameras, practice administering narcan, and how to clear the chamber of a discovered gun, or do they get to 3D print parts for their classroom and go on field trips?
It's the outliers that are geographic and system dependent. Rank the schools and exclude outliers at both extremes. The remaining schools aren't filled with teachers acting like prison guards watching over illiterate students.
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#527Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are confusing the ability to bring information to people, with the ability of people to consume it. As has been mentioned elsewhere on the thread - the real issue is often there are complex 2nd and third order effects, often there are devils in the details. I'm not saying people are not capable of consuming it, I'm saying people don't have the bandwidth. Direct democracy is best when it's used for very specific p…
Do you think the average person - ~98 IQ, at most one year of college but likely none, working some sort of retail, home health, or counter food service job - is truly capable of synthesizing third-order effects of a legal proposal and how it interacts with the current environment? If you do, what about someone 10% below average? 20%? Even at 20% below average intelligence we're still talking about one out of every t…
It’s been tried in China, in the Zeguo Township, with interesting results.
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#528Earlier quoted context omitted.
In fairness, the evidence is that people already pretty firmly against things like chat control and the will to push it through tends to come from the political circles more than popular belief it is a good idea. I expect that if the measure itself went to a general vote, the majority would be against it once they have to deal with a specific proposal. It takes repeated pushes by the authoritarians looking for an opp…
The problem is that "the authoritarians" (read: almost every politician at every level of government, but a drastically increasing percentage the higher you go) only need to get something passed once then it is there forever. Every law should have an automatic sunset period of 1-10 years that requires it to pass the entire legislative process again, or at least both full chambers + signing.
In the saga period of Iceland, 1/3rd of the laws had to be recited orally each year in a public assembly. If we had something like that then our legal code would be a lot slimmer.
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#530Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, the alternative is that you will only read state propaganda.
By painting everything so black and white you're doing propaganda too, are you aware?
come on dawg, maybe 10 seconds of critical thought and even you will realize that is a bunch of nonsense.