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Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by bombcar »

fullshark wrote: post #8
mghackerlady wrote: post #7

Why do people buy movies digitally anyway? I can understand digital movies (they are convenient) but renting or streaming seems far more reasonable. If you truly want to own a movie as I suspect people who buy them digitally do, the only way to ensure that is to buy it on DVD/Blu-ray and rip (or redeem the digital code version that often comes with modern releases, though those tend to have DRM). Even then, why do pe…

I "bought" a few digital kids movies because kids want to watch them over and over and I didn't want to deal with handling physical media.

17,059,798,573 views for Baby Shark and climbing ...

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by paxys »

tiahura wrote: post #32
crooked-v wrote: post #12

I have to wonder what small claims court judges would think of it. Get a few hundred cases filed across the US and the travel expense for Sony could be significant.

Why would Sony bother to show up? 1000 cases x $19.99/movie = $20,000.

People also forget that the burden of collection is on you. Good luck chasing Sony for that $20 even if the court has ruled in your favor.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by pixelatedindex »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #39
austin-cheney wrote: post #35

Its because of things like this that I self host all my media. As an example why buy games from Steam when I can get them on gog.com DRM free and make them portable (without a setup or installation step on future machines)? So, I run my own Steam Store/Library like experience on a home server using Game Vault. I use JellyFin for video. It works for music files, but I don't really like it for audio. So, I wrote my own…

I deleted my Steam account recently after I realized I hadn't logged in for 5 years. I just can't tolerate a store also being a launcher middleman.

Steam is probably the best example of how you can be a middleman and a store. I’ve never felt wronged by them unlike Sony and Discovery.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by triceratops »

basisword wrote: post #29
madduci wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I buy a DVD, it costs a fixed price. Why should it be variable, if we talk about digital media? Storage and content streaming is cheaper than embracing a whole logistic (producing DVDs/BlueRays, packaging, shipping). But here we are again: if you buy something digital, you just pay for a "usage license", you don't own anything at all. After all these years or decades, I am still surprised that people expect to own…

With digital you're hoping the 'store' keeps it in storage for you in perpetuity so you can redownload/stream it. If you buy a DVD and lose it you can't go back for another free copy. There's definitely an issue that the original license should allow you to always download and backup your copy DRM free so you will always have access but most people aren't going to do that. I bought lots of music/video content from iT…

> With digital you're hoping the 'store' keeps it in storage for you in perpetuity so you can redownload/stream it.

Not necessarily. What if the store didn't have to do that?

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by dingaling »

dfxm12 wrote: post #27
TheCondor wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend and I were talking about this. What would you pay for it? When iTunes + came out, you had 2 options, you could buy a song for $0.99 or you could be the plus version for more, I don't remember but it was like $1.35 or something. Plus had a higher bit rate and it wasn't encrypted. Suppose you could buy a movie for $12.00, how much would you pay for the forever version? $30?

Terminator 2 is currently $8 for a bluray on amazon. $10 for a DVD. This is reasonably a forever version.

DVD perhaps yes, until the disc degrades.

BluRay no, because your player's keys can be revoked when you pop in a new disc.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by pixelatedindex »

paxys wrote: post #37

Selling something to customers without having the rights to it yourself is very clearly illegal. I wish some government agency had the guts to prosecute this.

Presumably at the time of sale they had rights to it. They lost it later, but should have at least had secured rights to people who bought the damn thing.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by triceratops »

paxys wrote: post #42
tiahura wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Sony bother to show up? 1000 cases x $19.99/movie = $20,000.

People also forget that the burden of collection is on you. Good luck chasing Sony for that $20 even if the court has ruled in your favor.

You're saying I can't just turn up to the nearest Sony store with a sheriff's deputy and take some shit?

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by austin-cheney »

bombcar wrote: post #36
austin-cheney wrote: post #35

Its because of things like this that I self host all my media. As an example why buy games from Steam when I can get them on gog.com DRM free and make them portable (without a setup or installation step on future machines)? So, I run my own Steam Store/Library like experience on a home server using Game Vault. I use JellyFin for video. It works for music files, but I don't really like it for audio. So, I wrote my own…

It's really nice - and it's not really the cost ... it's the avoidance of the rugpull. I've spent WAY MORE on my hardware and setup in time, money, and DVDs than I ever would have for streaming services, but I know if it goes down, it's on me.

Absolutely. If there is a fiber cut in my driveway I still have my home network running just the same.

If hardware ever cheaper I will also run an instance of Project Nomad:

https://www.projectnomad.us/

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by paxys »

pixelatedindex wrote: post #46
paxys wrote: post #37

Selling something to customers without having the rights to it yourself is very clearly illegal. I wish some government agency had the guts to prosecute this.

Presumably at the time of sale they had rights to it. They lost it later, but should have at least had secured rights to people who bought the damn thing.

If the contract has an end date then there’s no reason not to mention it during the sale.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by dfxm12 »

dingaling wrote: post #45
dfxm12 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terminator 2 is currently $8 for a bluray on amazon. $10 for a DVD. This is reasonably a forever version.

DVD perhaps yes, until the disc degrades. BluRay no, because your player's keys can be revoked when you pop in a new disc.

Ok, how long do you have to rip & copy the content as you desire? It is still reasonably a forever version. Before you bring up laws around keys, first consider that jaywalking in front of your house is illegal too. Again, it is reasonably a forever version.
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