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Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by addaon »

lubujackson wrote: post #138
VladVladikoff wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flood of AI music on their platform is becuase people can make money off it. If you turn off that faucet you stop the flooding.

Sure, but how will Tidal consistently determine AI generated music? This is new frontier of spam. So begins the Clone Wars...

> how will Tidal consistently determine AI generated music?

Is this their responsibility? Just restrict payment to the registered copyright holder or their delegate, require registration of copyright for music to be payment-eligible, and escalate the problem to a federal crime with (presumedly) federal enforcement, no? Sure, some people will commit federal crimes to get a payout, but it's gotta reduce the problem massively.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by ActionHank »

dkhenry wrote: post #86

I just want Tidal and Spotify to give me the option to fully opt-out of AI generated music. I don't want it mixed in with my music. If others want it great, but I want the option to not engage with the content.

This is the key point, they're all enforcing tagging with no means to filter it out entirely.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by consensus1 »

esafak wrote: post #23
gwbas1c wrote: post #17

I'm a Tidal subscriber, something like this is needed. My Tidal "feed" is full of new releases that are clearly AI-generated. They use the same artist name as artists that I really like, but the music is clearly not from the artist as advertised. I have no problem with AI-generated music, I just don't want someone trying to spoof the artists I am interested in.

Spotify is the same. This impersonation ought to be illegal.

It is illegal. Anybody making money on that is using the artist's image without permission. Anybody who spent money on it has been defrauded.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by vkou »

fxwin wrote: post #8

> Tidal will accept AI-generated music. > Tidal will hold AI-generated music to a higher standard of content integrity. We will not tolerate AI-generated music that exploits an individual’s or group’s music, name or likeness, deceives listeners, or diminishes the quality of our service. I think this is a very reasonable approach, and probably also the best way to treat AI-powered copyright infringement as a whole. Ju…

The difference between AI and artists is that artists are humans, which should grant them more rights and fewer penalties than some fucking software.

Artists don't get penalized, but for that reason, we should penalize the hell out of it.

If a bunch of hyper intelligent space aliens came in and started squeezing the rest of us out of creative economic activity, they shouldn't be on an equal playing field either. Laws and rules exist to serve humans, not machines.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by butlike »

purerandomness wrote: post #43
butlike wrote: post #36

> Starting today, AI-generated music will not be monetizable. AKA: We will take the value, if any, AI-generated music gives, but we will not be paying royalties. This is a contradictory statement. How does the AI-generated music give value if the generated content is inherently worthless?

That's the neat part: AI Slop "music" will have to stop pretending that it has any value.

I think my comment is being misunderstood. I don't think AI music has any value. I'm just calling out that Tidal's right and left hands are saying two different things. The left hand: AI music has no monetary value. The right hand: AI music is valuable enough to host on the platform. This is the schism that doesn't make sense to me.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by jrm4 »

An interesting problem in the background of this is the cope.

Which is to say, there are a lot of people who think "they can tell AI" in music, wherein you can cue the famous picture of the airplane with the bulletholes.

I'm not sure what you can do about it, and part of me hates it too -- but youtube has absolutely given me 100% AI generated music that's full of soul and better than, say, Bruno Mar,s IMHO.

(For those interested, my two examples would be the gospel "Thong Song" and the fake rock-n-roll dis track against 50 cent "by TI's Son," 2 quarters...)

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by jdiff »

dcrazy wrote: post #139
jdiff wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mechahitler sure isn't helping.

I haven’t been on Twitter since before Elon took over. Do most users ever interact with Grok?

It waxes and it wanes, but people breathlessly asking Grok "IS THIS TRUE??" is prevalent. People often call on Grok to argue their points for them. The interaction is inflicted.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by intrikate »

horsawlarway wrote: post #137
keiferski wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most of what you’ve written here only really applies if you listen to music without knowing anything about the musician. That seems pretty uncommon to me, for most people. The most popular musicians in the world are basically celebrity characters, with the music as a key ingredient, not the only one. Do Taylor Swift fans or Kanye fans or [musician] fans just listen to the music and not follow the person? Pret…

Frankly, this is also how I mostly listen to music - I set a song or two I like, then I let auto-discovery keep adding to the list. If I happen to like it, I hit thumbs up/like. Otherwise I ignore it. I sometimes go through and browse musicians, mainly to see if they have other songs I might like, but generally speaking... it's not high on my list of priorities. Then again, I don't give a shit about the "pop" aspect…

> Samplers and grooveboxes absolutely play music by themselves.

I disagree. You cannot take your Akai MPC out of the box and ask it to play music. You have to load samples, you have to arrange them and you have to instruct it to play. That seems like a far cry to me from "playing themselves." You still have to... write the music.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by neutronicus »

keiferski wrote: post #116
someguyiguess wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a human behind AI-generated music too. A human writes the prompts. Your distinction seems rather arbitrary.

Typing “make me an electronic guitar song about a bad breakup” is a whole lot different than learning to play the instrument yourself and conveying your own emotions from your real experience into a song that you write and perform. If you can’t see how these are fundamentally different things, I don’t know what to tell you.

I think a lot of songs about bad break-ups were written by talented musicians without actual experience of a bad break-up, riffing on the corpus of songs they'd heard about bad break-ups.

Like, a lot of times you're just engaging with someone's desire to have made a song, and what they felt about some songs that someone else made.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by dkhenry »

ktbwrestler wrote: post #136
dkhenry wrote: post #86

I just want Tidal and Spotify to give me the option to fully opt-out of AI generated music. I don't want it mixed in with my music. If others want it great, but I want the option to not engage with the content.

I feel the same way, but it’s hard to draw the line: - was the song totally one-shot “make me a song in the style of X?” - was it a legit artist that used AI to create a verse lyric stanza after they’d already created the entirety of the melody/ chords etc?

I would go with, if the song could be reasonably performed live by the human publishing it, and have a similar sound to the recording, then its fine to keep in. The issue I have is songs like this one, where there is no way anyone could even try to perform it

https://open.spotify.com/track/0jGJtiDfEO9syfSL8AshBF?si=b92...

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