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Re: AI Engineer Claims to Have Cracked Linear A

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Post by yo-chanan »

stratocumulus0 wrote: post #52
Tuna-Fish wrote: post #35

The reason linear A is so difficult is that the total remaining corpus of Linear A text is ~7500 characters, spread out over ~1500 inscriptions. If you have a 4k screen, you can fit all remaining Linear A text on your screen at once, in 14pt high font.

An in addition to that, a vast majority of documents are lists which consist of a "header" (1 to 3 words) and word-number pairs afterwards. An another common class are small clay seals with 1, 2 characters carved into them. It's likely that in both cases, we may be dealing with abbreviations. Some of the lists end with "ku-ro" and a number that's the sum of all the previous numbers, oddly frequently off by one.

In Biblical Hebrew, "Kulo" means "All of it (with the kollel)". The kollel is an extra 1 added to a sum of numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria#Other_methods

Re: AI Engineer Claims to Have Cracked Linear A

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Post by teleforce »

mcswell wrote: post #190
teleforce wrote: post #159

>Di Mino believes that Linear A belongs to an extinct Semitic language that was a precursor to biblical Hebrew, the way that Latin is a precursor to Italian. Indus valley script is about 1500 years earlier than Linear A and I hope we can also decipher Indus script using AI or not [1]. It's well overdue although from statistical profiling it's has been proven to be a valid linguistic script believed to be being used f…

"...it's has been proven to be a valid linguistic script..." No, it has NOT been proven to be a writing system for a language. Indeed the very link you cite [1] says: "... difficult to judge whether or not they [the Indus symbols] constituted a writing system used to record a Harappan language..." "There are doubts whether the Indus script records a written language or is instead a system of non-linguistic signs or p…

>"...it's has been proven to be a valid linguistic script..." No, it has NOT been proven to be a writing system for a language. Indeed the very link you cite [1] says:

Actually I was reffering to a 2011 TED Talk on Youtube by a researcher in this field namely Rajesh Rao a computational neuroscientist, entitled "Computing a Rosetta Stone for the Indus script." It's based on the comparison of the statistical distribution and entropy to other well-known languages such as English, Sumerian, and Old Tamil, as well as non-linguistic systems such as DNA sequences, Fortran programming code, and completely random sequences [1].

The researcher personally received a death threat due to this discovery. Why is the discovery or the hypothesis (depending on your perspective) is very controversial, is telling something. My conjecture is that the Dravidian speaking people is displaced further south to the Indian subcontinent by the "newcomers" (Aryan speaking people), similar to how the Wales/Welsh speaking people was driven further eastword in the British Island by the "newcomers" (English speaking people).

[1] Rajesh Rao: Computing a Rosetta Stone for the Indus script [video]:

https://youtu.be/kwYxHPXIaao

Re: AI Engineer Claims to Have Cracked Linear A

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Post by mcswell »

teleforce wrote: post #192
mcswell wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...it's has been proven to be a valid linguistic script..." No, it has NOT been proven to be a writing system for a language. Indeed the very link you cite [1] says: "... difficult to judge whether or not they [the Indus symbols] constituted a writing system used to record a Harappan language..." "There are doubts whether the Indus script records a written language or is instead a system of non-linguistic signs or p…

>"...it's has been proven to be a valid linguistic script..." No, it has NOT been proven to be a writing system for a language. Indeed the very link you cite [1] says: Actually I was reffering to a 2011 TED Talk on Youtube by a researcher in this field namely Rajesh Rao a computational neuroscientist, entitled "Computing a Rosetta Stone for the Indus script." It's based on the comparison of the statistical distributi…

I know nothing of death threats, but posting a YouTube video does not constitute "proof". And there's been plenty of water under the peer-reviewed bridge over the last twenty years, most of which does not seem to be politically motivated. Sproat for example has no political reason to prefer one or the other conclusion, but he has come down steadfastly on the side that the Indus script does not represent a language.

To repeat myself, then: there is no proof that the Indus script is the writing system of a language.

Re: AI Engineer Claims to Have Cracked Linear A

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Post by teleforce »

mcswell wrote: post #193
teleforce wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"...it's has been proven to be a valid linguistic script..." No, it has NOT been proven to be a writing system for a language. Indeed the very link you cite [1] says: Actually I was reffering to a 2011 TED Talk on Youtube by a researcher in this field namely Rajesh Rao a computational neuroscientist, entitled "Computing a Rosetta Stone for the Indus script." It's based on the comparison of the statistical distributi…

I know nothing of death threats, but posting a YouTube video does not constitute "proof". And there's been plenty of water under the peer-reviewed bridge over the last twenty years, most of which does not seem to be politically motivated. Sproat for example has no political reason to prefer one or the other conclusion, but he has come down steadfastly on the side that the Indus script does not represent a language. T…

Did you even watch the video before replying, that's a high quality TED talk instead of the lesser TEDx, presented by a reknowned and reputable professor in the field?

Do you know that interview, podcast, lecture, etc, with an expert reserchers in the field is a valid research evidents and citations?

Here are some of the Rajesh Rao publications on the topic if you even bother to check [1],[2],[3].

Apparently it's just a few minutes to find his papers but you seems to not interested in finding the truth. If you don't believe the results at least respect the scholarly efforts involved. Or find a refute to the facts presented or better yet do your own research to refute them. Failure to do any of the above is just a strawman with in denial attitude.

1) Entropic Evidence for Linguistic Structure in the Indus Script [pdf]:

https://www.science.org/cms/asset/f142c776-4f40-4b10-9d09-a4...

[2] A Markov model of the Indus script: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0906237106

[3] Statistical Analysis of the Indus Script Using n-Grams:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

Re: AI Engineer Claims to Have Cracked Linear A

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Post by mcswell »

teleforce wrote: post #194
mcswell wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know nothing of death threats, but posting a YouTube video does not constitute "proof". And there's been plenty of water under the peer-reviewed bridge over the last twenty years, most of which does not seem to be politically motivated. Sproat for example has no political reason to prefer one or the other conclusion, but he has come down steadfastly on the side that the Indus script does not represent a language. T…

Did you even watch the video before replying, that's a high quality TED talk instead of the lesser TEDx, presented by a reknowned and reputable professor in the field? Do you know that interview, podcast, lecture, etc, with an expert reserchers in the field is a valid research evidents and citations? Here are some of the Rajesh Rao publications on the topic if you even bother to check [1],[2],[3]. Apparently it's jus…

Did you even look at any of the papers (published in scholarly journals, not in TED talks), which argue against the idea that the Indus script is a written language?
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