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Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by javier123454321 »

TrackerFF wrote: post #63

I'm a musician by hobby, but used to make a living of it in my younger days. AI music has come to stay, can't do anything about it - the cat is out of the bag. I know professional musicians that will use AI models like Suno as an aid to their tracks - mostly where they'd previously use samples or program things themselves. In these cases, where the track may be x% AI and (1-x)% Human performance, where x is very smal…

I have a great solution. They can point chatGPT to their AI generated slop and get AI generated enjoyment from others appreciating their "Art". Meanwhile, keep that out of my sphere.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by keiferski »

observationist wrote: post #77
keiferski wrote: post #30

I really hope someone makes a music platform in the future that is verified as human-made. Music is about connecting to human emotions, not poor facsimiles of it. Tie it to in-person concerts and it might actually work as a business, as well as logistically – maybe the company can be a record producer in disguise and physically meet every musician they host.

As of now, you can tell the difference for most AI generated music. There's some where you cannot. There is no Turing Test for taste, and the specific constellation of features that represent your particular interpretation of what things like human, best, goodness, excellence, beauty, and any other label you might apply to abstract qualities will be reproduced at a sufficiently high resolution that you will no longer…

I think most of what you’ve written here only really applies if you listen to music without knowing anything about the musician.

That seems pretty uncommon to me, for most people. The most popular musicians in the world are basically celebrity characters, with the music as a key ingredient, not the only one. Do Taylor Swift fans or Kanye fans or [musician] fans just listen to the music and not follow the person? Pretty unlikely IMO.

I also think it’s an entirely false equivalence to say using electronic instruments are like AI music tools. Very different things – an electric guitar doesn’t play music by itself. It’s still a tool at the end of the day.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by gonzalohm »

Grombobulous wrote: post #65
fxwin wrote: post #8

> Tidal will accept AI-generated music. > Tidal will hold AI-generated music to a higher standard of content integrity. We will not tolerate AI-generated music that exploits an individual’s or group’s music, name or likeness, deceives listeners, or diminishes the quality of our service. I think this is a very reasonable approach, and probably also the best way to treat AI-powered copyright infringement as a whole. Ju…

Isn’t it true that AI generated music holds no legal copyright?

Why is that? And who draws the line? If I use a synthesizer to generate music, does that count as AI generated?

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by habosa »

Makes sense for them as a business, but still a bummer to have AI music mixed in with human music at all. To me there is literally no point to AI music. Music is communication. The artist is communicating with the listener through a pretty unique and magical asynchronous medium. AI (as we know it today) can't meet that bar and so it does not meet my definition of music.

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Post by olmo23 »

postalcoder wrote: post #49

AI music has taken over small businesses like coffee shops and restaurants. AI music drives me nuts because, to me, it still is very much deep in an uncanny valley. That said, I can't blame the businesses because they are all (dis)incentive driven. The music industry has stepped up its efforts globally to crack down on small businesses that play copyrighted music. They actually hire people to go into these places and…

For me personally, I no longer hear the difference between AI generated music and new pop-songs. Not sure what that says about me or the music industry.

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Post by dkhenry »

I just want Tidal and Spotify to give me the option to fully opt-out of AI generated music. I don't want it mixed in with my music. If others want it great, but I want the option to not engage with the content.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by Grombobulous »

The policy seems a lot more reasonable than the straight up dystopian scam that Spotify runs, but I am surprised that there isn’t any streaming service that’s marketing heavy on “no AI allowed” considering the percentage of people who are against AI. Seems like small players like Tidal could make some headway with marketing like that.

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Post by javier123454321 »

Kuyawa wrote: post #72

Why demonetize? What if people wants to pay for AI music? What about the long tail? There is a market for everything, just label it and let it be.

I appreciate a platform for art to at least attempt at maintaining the semblance of it being for humans. If AI 'artists' disagree, they can boycott Tidal and not post their songs there. For me that is a feature that I actually really value, because AI slop making Spotify money has materially worsened my experience in that platform.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by cush »

This is so surprising coming from Tidal - their entire business was built on high-fidelity, crediting artists, and paying them more

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by Grombobulous »

gonzalohm wrote: post #83
Grombobulous wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t it true that AI generated music holds no legal copyright?

Why is that? And who draws the line? If I use a synthesizer to generate music, does that count as AI generated?

I was under the impression that the US copyright office/various judges already determined that anything created 100% by AI is not copyrightable.

A synthesizer is not AI.

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