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HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by MichaelDickens »

jarito wrote: post #251
RugnirViking wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

great question. The alternative is not accepting 1000 applicants. Nobody said you have to keep up your job posting for two weeks, or two hours for that matter. stop once you have enough. Enough is defined by whatever number you would have filtered to. In the rare case none of the first ten applicants were appropriate, just open it again until youve got another tranche.

You are assuming quality applicants are evenly distributed in terms of time of application - they aren’t. If you cut off at 100, you will only get a sample of people spewing fully automated application bots which mostly aren’t what you want.

If that's true, then it suggests an easy fix: leave your application up for four hours, then discard all applications you get for the first two.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by zx8080 »

This is the new AI reality everyone around is wanting: a nondeterministic computing.

There is another name for it: a waste of electricity.

But wait, not waste! Consumers paid for it fully, with nice profit margins.

You and me, paid.

Try using google flights, or booking.com: the prices shown in search results list are frequently significantly different from those in a single result. It's a nondeterministic compute when it's easy to spot it. But it's not always that easy.

It's all sad, to be honest.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

xorcist wrote: post #239
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #149

>If your company’s cutoff sits at 85, I fail 65% of the time. Same exact resume, different luck. Your resume's reception is always affected by random factors, only now you are able to test, debug and technically critique the randomness.

I think the question is why bother with an LLM if randomness is decisive? Just roll the dice. I mean, it's not the worse you can do to narrow a subset.

right, and it's cheaper, but people want the illusion of determinism. Some people say that they want determinism, but if they do nothing to assure themselves it is deterministic I think it is fair they really only want a good enough illusion.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by reactordev »

zx8080 wrote: post #312

This is the new AI reality everyone around is wanting: a nondeterministic computing . There is another name for it: a waste of electricity. But wait, not waste! Consumers paid for it fully, with nice profit margins. You and me, paid. Try using google flights, or booking.com: the prices shown in search results list are frequently significantly different from those in a single result. It's a nondeterministic compute wh…

There should be laws against displaying wrong prices or different prices for who you are…

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by Arch-TK »

The list of "bonus" criteria and how they come about makes me feel sick.

I am not currently looking for employment, nor am I currently particularly worried about future prospects if I was suddenly in the position of looking for employment.

But if I ended up in a position with nothing to lean on but scattering my CV everywhere, well…

A lot of my major contributions are littered across the internet, private, or even just verbal/consultancy. They're things I did for free, in my spare time.

I also avoid GitHub. If you just look at my GitHub page for extra context, you would likely miss that delivering that very GitHub page likely involved a few bits of code I wrote.

Now, I could do a better job of trying to document this stuff, so it could be easier to find… But also I can't quite imagine how that would work.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by torben-friis »

jerf wrote: post #290
dathinab wrote: post #247

And this + the tendency for AI to "prefer" AI produced code + some other AI biased is why *this is most likely highly illegal to use in the EU due to violating anti discrimination laws in multiple ways. To be clear: - randomly filtering "too many" resumes is pretty much allowed (I think) - but must be actual random independent of the resume (and can be in multiple layers, i.e. random filter > pre-select > random filt…

Everything is correlated to everything [1]. Which means there's a good chance this is somehow correlated in one way or another to race/gender/other protected classes in the US, just by the math of everything being correlated to everything. Which means this is one good lawsuit away from being illegal in the US as well. It doesn't even necessarily have to "win", just do well enough in court to scare away anyone else fr…

Would the accused party have to prove compliance? Or would non compliance have to be proved by the accuser?

Honest question, I'm not American.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by stellamariesays »

dathinab wrote: post #247

And this + the tendency for AI to "prefer" AI produced code + some other AI biased is why *this is most likely highly illegal to use in the EU due to violating anti discrimination laws in multiple ways. To be clear: - randomly filtering "too many" resumes is pretty much allowed (I think) - but must be actual random independent of the resume (and can be in multiple layers, i.e. random filter > pre-select > random filt…

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Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by weare138 »

I'm from genx. This has been a serious issue in the tech industry for decades even before AI somehow made it worse. The real problem is resumes themselves. It's an outdated format that was originally designed for completely different industries that just doesn't work with ours. And this is a great example of what I'm talking about:

The scoring is out of 100, with up to 20 bonus points on top:

35 points for open source contributions

30 for personal projects

25 for work experience

10 for technical skills

Up to 20 bonus points for startup experience, a portfolio site, a technical blog, etc.

All the AI is doing is trying to sus out the candidates portfolio which is really what we should be submitting when we apply for a position instead of being forced to somehow condense it to a set of BS business-speak bullet points. Especially when employers are now deploying AI systems just to figure out what's in a candidate's portfolio to begin with.

When all you have is a hammer every problem is a nail. The process itself is broken. We need to kill the outdated concept of resumes before it kills the industry.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by bee_rider »

LinXitoW wrote: post #127
sevenzero wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a inhumane way of looking at this. Hiring is deeply flawed, you know it, and yet you keep job postings open for weeks/months in case "the one" magically appears on your doorstep instead of just interviewing 10-20 people and just pick one... Corpo bullshittery at its finest.

What's the alternative? Everyones up in arms, but I see ZERO viable alternatives proposed. If you have 1000 applications for every job, and you know that a bunch of these applications are "a bad fit", to put it mildly, you have to filter. And you cannot realistically give every resume a good, human look. By the time HR would be done, the market has already moved on five times. So, what is the real difference between…

It’s weird because unemployment is still quite low, right?

Maybe a platform could be designed where candidates have one account for multiple companies, and the number of applications on the platform is limited to, say, ten per person per month or something. To get people to be selective. I don’t think this should be the only way to apply, but maybe the companies involved could look there first.

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