Lol next time I’ll just apply with 4 accounts and maybe get in once.
HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
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Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
“I'm a little confused, is this an ATS system that anyone actually uses?” You read my mind. If the answer is “no”, then we can ignore this.
For one, if you go on to Hacker Rank's "Screen" page, they mention the product is used by Stripe/AirBnB/LinkedIn/Atlassian/IBM etc etc. I imagine that there's plenty more companies using it too. But I'd also assume that their competitors are doing something similar so I don't think we as an industry can just ignore that it's happening.
Interesting, thanks. I admittedly spent zero time looking into it :)
I’m surprised open source contributions count for so much. first I thought was “is that something people actually list in as resume?”. But it looks like it pulls your GitHub account and appends that information.
That kind of unfortunate for anyone who doesn’t use GitHub
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
great question. The alternative is not accepting 1000 applicants. Nobody said you have to keep up your job posting for two weeks, or two hours for that matter. stop once you have enough. Enough is defined by whatever number you would have filtered to. In the rare case none of the first ten applicants were appropriate, just open it again until youve got another tranche.
That's just another type of randomness (who was online during the short time the posting was opened).
right. But if you go online and look for a job, then the ones you are available at that moment will actually read your application
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#284It's fair to call out issues with the tool. But I think for individuals searching for jobs, using LLMs as the scapegoat for why it's hard to find a role is not terribly helpful.
In my experience, cold-applying has always worked essentially as a black hole, and LLMs haven't changed that much. The reality is that alternative avenues are always necessary to get the job you want. That could be a third-party recruiter; reaching out to a hiring manager on LinkedIn; or using your network to get referrals. Those continue to work whether the company is using a bone-headed tool like this or not.
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point is that the case T=0 doesn't just "exist" as a special code branch - it is still well defined mathematically without any change to the output function. What the above comment refers to with the extra "if" check is just a limitation of computers not liking to divide anything by zero, even if the actual function exists and is well behaved at zero. It is not some weird or special theoretical construction.
Floating point defines n/0 the same as math. It's infinity as long as n isn't zero.
In almost all forms of math, the value n/0 is undefined. It's definitely not infinity, for two reasons - depending on the value of n, it can be negative; and neither info nor -inf are numbers, so they can't be the result of an equation (unless you look at transfinite equations).
What you can do in math is talk about the limit of a series of fractions as the denominator approaches 0, and that's where you get some relation to infinity or -infinity. But the limit can also be any other number, if the numerator also gets closer to 0; or it can not exist, if the function oscillates.
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#286It's fair to call out issues with the tool. But I think for individuals searching for jobs, using LLMs as the scapegoat for why it's hard to find a role is not terribly helpful. In my experience, cold-applying has always worked essentially as a black hole, and LLMs haven't changed that much. The reality is that alternative avenues are always necessary to get the job you want. That could be a third-party recruiter; re…
I entered an interview with a hiring manger where they had received a "summary" of my resume that contained information blatantly not in my experience. The recruiter claimed they mixed my name up with another applicant, but the summary the hiring manager showed me had parts that were correct.
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#287And this + the tendency for AI to "prefer" AI produced code + some other AI biased is why *this is most likely highly illegal to use in the EU due to violating anti discrimination laws in multiple ways. To be clear: - randomly filtering "too many" resumes is pretty much allowed (I think) - but must be actual random independent of the resume (and can be in multiple layers, i.e. random filter > pre-select > random filt…
> this is most likely highly illegal to use in the EU due to violating anti discrimination laws in multiple ways. It's generally illegal under GDPR Article 22. > The data subject shall have the right not to be subject to a decision based solely on automated processing, including profiling, which produces legal effects concerning him or her or similarly significantly affects him or her. Exceptions in 22(2) are unlikel…
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Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
While the IEEE 754 standard ensures that individual basic operations are deterministic and strictly bounded, it does not guarantee that an entire program will yield bit-identical results on all CPUs. CPUs and their execution environments introduce subtle hardware variations, architecture choices, and compiler optimizations that break bit-level consistency. (same for GPU/TPU, ...)
Parent is correct - the math is very deterministic if you can guarantee it’s running repeatedly on the same machine and you’re not processing “random” requests in parallel. The compiler is irrelevant because once the code is generated it’s not getting recompiled and thus isn’t a source of non determinism (and generally if you don’t touch the math the compiler will consistently emit the same underlying machine code).
This sub-thread was about cloud environments, where different requests may be served by different hardware. And it's in fact very likely that there will be a mix of different hardware from different vendors, in any particular LLM cloud for now.
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
Floating point defines n/0 the same as math. It's infinity as long as n isn't zero.
In almost all forms of math, the value n/0 is undefined. It's definitely not infinity, for two reasons - depending on the value of n, it can be negative; and neither info nor -inf are numbers, so they can't be the result of an equation (unless you look at transfinite equations). What you can do in math is talk about the limit of a series of fractions as the denominator approaches 0, and that's where you get some rela…
I explicitly didn't say "infinity or negative infinity" because I didn't think that level of pedantry would be needed here on HN. I guess I was wrong.
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#290And this + the tendency for AI to "prefer" AI produced code + some other AI biased is why *this is most likely highly illegal to use in the EU due to violating anti discrimination laws in multiple ways. To be clear: - randomly filtering "too many" resumes is pretty much allowed (I think) - but must be actual random independent of the resume (and can be in multiple layers, i.e. random filter > pre-select > random filt…
Everything is correlated to everything [1].
Which means there's a good chance this is somehow correlated in one way or another to race/gender/other protected classes in the US, just by the math of everything being correlated to everything.
Which means this is one good lawsuit away from being illegal in the US as well. It doesn't even necessarily have to "win", just do well enough in court to scare away anyone else from using this.
And boy oh boy would I hate to be on the receiving end of this lawsuit, trying to prove that my AI screener is completely in compliance with all hiring laws. That sounds like a nightmare.