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Why can't India's government build a decent website?

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Re: Why can't India's government build a decent website?

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Economist runs an anti-India agenda which is very clear from the positions they take. A functional but not so aesthetic website design is equated to failure of indian "officialdom", poor productivity/ skills. Looks more like a driven by need to make anti india content than an objective analysis of govt websites around the world.

Re: Why can't India's government build a decent website?

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>Bureaucrats do not need AI to fall victim to cognitive surrender.

That is true. Organizations have long been surrendering cognitively to outsourcing, consulting, and brand names. They buy systems they do not understand and delegate requirements they cannot verify. Then, rather than reducing existing problems, new ones simply emerge.

It is not so much about bureaucracy as it is about the factionalism that commonly appears in organizations behind these types of websites. In the end, avoidance of responsibility becomes the primary imperative of the program. The core issue is that there needs to be one person who takes responsibility, but no one does, because no one thinks about the planning that oversees the entire UX. Someone must take responsibility for the UX flow, and this is the typical pattern that emerges when no one does.

Re: Why can't India's government build a decent website?

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Economist runs an anti-India agenda which is very clear from the positions they take. A functional but not so aesthetic website design is equated to failure of indian "officialdom", poor productivity/ skills. Looks more like a driven by need to make anti india content than an objective analysis of govt websites around the world.

I believe the kids these days call it 'race baiting'

Re: Why can't India's government build a decent website?

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I have visited very few Indian government sites, but the list does include indianvisaonline.gov.in. Some have been horribly confusing, but some haven't. I did manage to get my Visa, complete with 17ish identical confirmation emails (I've forgotten the exact number). One common theme was that to me they looked old, and information dense.

I'm not against old-looking websites with lots of text. If done well, I think I even prefer it to nice looking modern pages with almost no information on them. We are, after all, having this discussion on HN.

The websites of Japanese mobile providers strike me as similar (I don't have any experience with Japanese government webpages, or probably any other Japanese websites). I found some of those had a similar vibe, which seemed very dated to me, however, I assumed that was a style choice rather than being old. Could be something similar going on for Indian sites. They're just not targeted at my design sensibilities.

As an addition, I thought most of the confusingness about indianvisaonline.gov.in wasn't in the web-design, but in the questions. I've found similar frustrating options on some lovely looking websites, or even paper forms. When forms are for important things, extra effort should be put in to make them as clear and obvious as possible. Perhaps the general rule for our current situation would be that the more important the form, the less intuitive it is. The Indian government isn't alone in this.

Does anyone have hopes AI will make things better for us in this area?

Re: Why can't India's government build a decent website?

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I visited the visa webs tie the article complained about. It was not very beautifully designed, but not especially awful either. This feels like one of those periodic Economist articles where the author vents about some personal grievance to fill up column inches during a slow news week.

Did you try using it?

I’ve applied for evisas to India multiple times, it’s extremely buggy and many times you’ll have to start again from the beginning… additionally, their payment processing is often not functional so you have to keep retrying the payment…

Once the visa is applied for, the process is usually quick.

Re: Why can't India's government build a decent website?

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I visited the visa webs tie the article complained about. It was not very beautifully designed, but not especially awful either. This feels like one of those periodic Economist articles where the author vents about some personal grievance to fill up column inches during a slow news week.

It was a functional website that I could navigate easily! I guess the “problem” was it didn’t use bootstrap icons

Did you try to apply for a visa? It’s a horribly buggy form

Re: Why can't India's government build a decent website?

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Whoever at the economist decided to post their usual bait-slop garbage to HN chose the wrong article. People here love when clicking edit opens a new page and the spacing is 1.5pt.

Seriously though, it becomes a problem when under the tiniest load it crashes between page loads losing state when the server restarts.

But I mean, the reason is rather obvious. Many things are built via the tender system. You're entirely depending on the altruism of the lowest bidder. Things which were built with a better procurement process are good.

Re: Why can't India's government build a decent website?

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I visited the visa webs tie the article complained about. It was not very beautifully designed, but not especially awful either. This feels like one of those periodic Economist articles where the author vents about some personal grievance to fill up column inches during a slow news week.

The one big issue with Indian Government websites is that there is no single unified visual language, something that UX4G [1] is aiming to fix. Other than that, I agree; this reads like the rantings of an young intern incapable of operating anything not built using whitespace-heavy "flat" interfaces. [1] https://www.ux4g.gov.in/

Imo, UX4G looks dated af too.

Re: Why can't India's government build a decent website?

#30

- because they outsource to tcs - tcs is the most mediocre software development company there is - if they instead gave contracts to startups in bangalore / mumbai etc, they would do a far far better job at ui / ux

interesting you choose to address this at that level of chain . like i could say, because tcs hires mediocre ppl on low pay if they hired ppl at higher pay their ux would be better. but the real answer in both cases is why something is happening nto what is happening.

TCS hires mediocre people because of cheap labor, which fits their outsourcing business model very well. Indian government tenders usually go to the cheapest bidder, not the most practical one. Because of this, even reputed companies like BCG have had to basically offer work for peanuts to secure government contracts away from the competition.

My banker gave me good advice when it came to Indians - the first price is not the final price. Always be ready to offer a discounted price that looks like a bargain to the Indian buyer. It's alien to me but looking at my parents, I must agree.

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