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Post by digitaltrees »

dmix wrote: post #764
digitaltrees wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop with the false equivalence.

I’ve been critical of crony capitalism consistently on HN for a decade now. Many people just haven’t been paying attention because nobody cares to follow this stuff unless there’s a useful political angle.

If I bring a house cat to a party and you bring a tiger we could both be accused of bringing a pet to the party without asking. But only one of the pets will crush your throat and then eat your face.

I would love to see any examples of democrats being crony capitalist of the same degree as the current administration. They are selling pardons, hosting crypto dinners where the seating arrangement is based on how many coins you bought, seizing the equity of private companies like intel and the revenue of corporations in exchange for lifting export restrictions like to nvidia, holding up M&A transactions for rivals and approving transactions for allies, ignoring laws passed by congress (like the ban on TikTok) to let allies buy the assets.

I am not a favor of state capture by the capitalist class. But democrats are house cats.

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Post by trimethylpurine »

azan_ wrote: post #835
trimethylpurine wrote: post #826

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I was still writing my comment during your emotional outburst. Reinforcing stereotypes about the Left it seems. You haven't addressed any of the research or the CDC data. And you've conflated two data sets. You're also still ignoring the actual study to claim that the incidences reported didn't include fatalities when they did. (That number went up dramatically in the CDC data, even if it was low in the study by comp…

Amazing mate, literally everything you wrote is wrong, including labeling me as left wing, keep it up!

You're trolling. But you're making my point.

Come back after you've compared the CDC data with other vaccines. At least give me the name of the SQL database to prove that you checked and you aren't a fraud.

Go do the legwork to prove to yourself and others that I'm really wrong, the scientific way. That is, no shortcuts, go download the data.

Your call, "mate." I won't hold my breath.

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Post by wood_spirit »

kulahan wrote: post #831
wood_spirit wrote: post #416

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As the US jerks from being BDFL to bullying zero summer, it’s not surprising that the abstract fears of china seem manageable compared to the new pressing fears of the US. Why as a European be more afraid of a country that whilst you wouldn’t want to live in and which has supported Russia is quiet and selling you cheap stuff vs a country who used to be a friend who is now wanting you to grovel for a bad deal and is a…

See this is almost exactly what I’m concerned about. The ignorance to think that the US is “supporting Russia” (as if China bypassing embargoes for the exact same reason is somehow… better? Because you expected it and surprises are scarier than cozying up to enemies???) is astounding. China basically didn’t have to do ANYTHING while also actively having real literal concentration camps, aggressively trying to capture…

I am a careful follower of politics and don’t think I’m ignorant. And on every point you made I could rebut with an example of America doing likewise.

On your last point abour “causing instability on the internet”, for example, I could point out we are in a discussion about America wanting to restrict LLMs into haves and have nots and if that isn’t destabilising the internet by preventing non-American companies from defending themselves or paying American companies to defend themselves against them protection racket wise then what is?

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Post by kulahan »

wood_spirit wrote: post #843
kulahan wrote: post #831

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See this is almost exactly what I’m concerned about. The ignorance to think that the US is “supporting Russia” (as if China bypassing embargoes for the exact same reason is somehow… better? Because you expected it and surprises are scarier than cozying up to enemies???) is astounding. China basically didn’t have to do ANYTHING while also actively having real literal concentration camps, aggressively trying to capture…

I am a careful follower of politics and don’t think I’m ignorant. And on every point you made I could rebut with an example of America doing likewise. On your last point abour “causing instability on the internet”, for example, I could point out we are in a discussion about America wanting to restrict LLMs into haves and have nots and if that isn’t destabilising the internet by preventing non-American companies from…

Let’s take like 30 seconds and pretend America has all the same controls China has.

All Americans are given a social credit score. Trump can decide any transgender sympathizers are unruly citizens, unworthy of a good score. They are banned from taking out loans. They are banned from buying plane or train tickets. If you call them, a warning informs you they are actively bad people. If you are spotted speaking to them, your friends are encouraged to report your behavior in an app, lowering your score as well. Going down is easy, but going up is nearly impossible. You’ve outed yourself as a problem.

In the meantime, Trump has also decided to round up and forcibly sterilize every Jew. They’re pretty destabilizing to the nation as a whole and don’t really fit in, so it’s important for the stability of the nation. They are disappeared, sent to prison colonies, and given mysterious injections. International news organizations sneak in to try and get ideas of what you’re doing to them.

Online, you never speak of this of course. Not only are your comments tracked (affecting that citizen social score I mentioned), the propaganda you need to hear is tuned to you harder than ever before. It is designed to have a perfect answer to every complaint you have. If you fight too hard, a quick reeducational visit can do wonders.

There are like ten million more things I could complain about, but let’s just keep it to the most obvious, well-known stuff for now.

All of this stuff is actively happening in China right now. So, I apologize, but I cannot accept that you are “a careful follower of politics”. I don’t hold it against you, but it’s insanely concerning.

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Post by kulahan »

dgellow wrote: post #512
theplumber wrote: post #470

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I think the Europeans have had some bad experiences with the communist system so naturally they are not very keen to any get communist influence. Once China can twist your arm you can be sure they will. Just mention democracy to them and you will see what comes next.

China is an authoritarian ethno nationalist state-capitalist system. They are so far from anything remotely communist. The only thing communist about it is the name of their mono party

You literally cannot own land, there are no private schools, and billionaires exist at the pleasure of the state. They call themselves communist (to varying degrees, but they absolutely do). What a bad troll attempt.

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Post by wood_spirit »

kulahan wrote: post #844
wood_spirit wrote: post #843

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a careful follower of politics and don’t think I’m ignorant. And on every point you made I could rebut with an example of America doing likewise. On your last point abour “causing instability on the internet”, for example, I could point out we are in a discussion about America wanting to restrict LLMs into haves and have nots and if that isn’t destabilising the internet by preventing non-American companies from…

Let’s take like 30 seconds and pretend America has all the same controls China has. All Americans are given a social credit score. Trump can decide any transgender sympathizers are unruly citizens, unworthy of a good score. They are banned from taking out loans. They are banned from buying plane or train tickets. If you call them, a warning informs you they are actively bad people. If you are spotted speaking to them…

This is not about whether being a customer of the us or china is morally worse. It’s about trust. Does any country trust America at its word any more?

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Post by kulahan »

wood_spirit wrote: post #846
kulahan wrote: post #844

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s take like 30 seconds and pretend America has all the same controls China has. All Americans are given a social credit score. Trump can decide any transgender sympathizers are unruly citizens, unworthy of a good score. They are banned from taking out loans. They are banned from buying plane or train tickets. If you call them, a warning informs you they are actively bad people. If you are spotted speaking to them…

This is not about whether being a customer of the us or china is morally worse. It’s about trust. Does any country trust America at its word any more?

Do… you think trust and morals are disconnected? Did those things I wrote make you trust China? Do you trust China more than the US based on those things?

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Post by wood_spirit »

kulahan wrote: post #847
wood_spirit wrote: post #846

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not about whether being a customer of the us or china is morally worse. It’s about trust. Does any country trust America at its word any more?

Do… you think trust and morals are disconnected? Did those things I wrote make you trust China? Do you trust China more than the US based on those things?

Countries can be repugnant in different ways, but the trust in their word is completely orthogonal.

Can a country trust a trade deal with the US? Whereas when has China ever not honoured a trade deal?

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Post by actionfromafar »

twoodfin wrote: post #802
actionfromafar wrote: post #789

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Well, I believe the opposite. The removal of Chevron was dressed up as more democracy, but in practice, deployed at this moment in time, when Congress defers everything to the Emperor, it looks more like when the Tsar had to decide every little stupid detail. This used up the precious time of the Tsar, in stupid little details (similarities today, reflecting pool, anyone?) to the detriment of the country, and also in…

There is simply no way to look at Constitutional doctrine pre- and post- Chevron and conclude that the decision put more power in the hands of the President and his administration. It did exactly the opposite.

There is simply no way to look at the agencies pre- and post-Chevron and conclude that the decision did not put more power in the hands of the President and his administration.

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Post by KptMarchewa »

mike_hearn wrote: post #654
someguyornotidk wrote: post #564

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I don't think whether a country is an importer or an exporter matters at this point. This is likely going to develop into a matter of national security. Nations cannot allow most of their domestic industries to be destroyed. If the US doesn't reverse course soon, I think we'll start seeing large-scale closure of international markets to US companies very soon. Even with US retaliation, there is no other option.

Zero chance of that happening. Europe has already largely deindustrialized and it never closed itself to China. Europe also tried to stop buying Russian oil and failed due to transshipment through India. It's really sad seeing how little so many of us Europeans understand the situation. America and China hold all the cards, Europe holds none. It makes very little that is both unique and strategic. Decades of left win…

> Europe has already largely deindustrialized

Yawn. If you look at actual production in industry data we're at the peak or close to.

A lot of this yapping is (outside of just boring political droning) due to conflating relative stagnation with "deindustrialization" lol and looking purely at individual countries like Germany, not realizing the most of the recent growth is east and south of it.

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