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EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Post by d-cc »

mrkeen wrote: post #335
d-cc wrote: post #328

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>this "scenario" which doesn't exist Where do you get your information from, exactly? In criminal and intelligence circles, this is not exactly uncommon knowledge. I hope you never experience the horror of finding out that even in federal protective custody, that military intelligence is already there waiting for you. >ways it cannot exist with nothing to with privacy, In the Soviet Union, for example, all medical re…

Yeah this reads like a psychotic episode, so let me try the short version. > I have been imprisoned extra-judicially, threatened with torture (I complied quickly), and served rotten food on US soil. Would you prefer these people to have access to all of your communications? Or would you like to be able to legally encrypt your messages?

>Yeah this reads like a psychotic episode, so let me try the short version.

You made my day brighter by repeating this propaganda, thank you for that.

Anybody reading this who might be a little less indoctrinated, ask your favorite language model about the history of CIA black sites and specifically the CIA's involvement in deep-brain stimulation and similar technologies. This has been publicized for __decades__.

And then realize this propaganda is a tiny, tiny, tiny portion of the spookery that has been running amok in the United States for a little under a century at this point.

You have absolutely no clue just how badly the national security complex has failed it's citizens in the US, and NATO more broadly.

Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Post by d-cc »

mrkeen wrote: post #335
d-cc wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>this "scenario" which doesn't exist Where do you get your information from, exactly? In criminal and intelligence circles, this is not exactly uncommon knowledge. I hope you never experience the horror of finding out that even in federal protective custody, that military intelligence is already there waiting for you. >ways it cannot exist with nothing to with privacy, In the Soviet Union, for example, all medical re…

Yeah this reads like a psychotic episode, so let me try the short version. > I have been imprisoned extra-judicially, threatened with torture (I complied quickly), and served rotten food on US soil. Would you prefer these people to have access to all of your communications? Or would you like to be able to legally encrypt your messages?

To address your actual point:

>Would you prefer these people to have access to all of your communications? Or would you like to be able to legally encrypt your messages?

I'm saying the entire security model regarding electronics is completely irrelevant. The same entities who have compromised the US deeply have been operating since long before the personal computer, and even telecommunications broadly. I do not care about what is on my computer, when they can easily kidnap, poison, or bless me with any of the other fun systems military intelligence has to offer.

Your national security apparatus has __good reason__ to be gathering any intelligence it can. I'd gladly hand over any piece of data to any agency which requests it, or anybody else really. These computers are toys.

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Post by HDBaseT »

mort96 wrote: post #341
megous wrote: post #284

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Messaging protocols are useful even if everyone is not on the same app. In the past I was chatting with my google using friend via some third party jabber server where I had an account. It was useful and didn't require us to be "in the same app". We both were using both different apps and different server providers.

> In the past Exactly. That time is mostly over.

It doesn't have to be though. There is countless benefits to decentralized and federated platforms, even for your average Joe.

It's just that all the Google, Microsoft, and Meta platforms had shiny new features and we all switched. There is no real reason we can't go back, sure the network effect is hard to overcome but the technological problem is moderately simple to solve (we did it in the past!)

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Post by yunnpp »

palata wrote: post #340
mike_hearn wrote: post #316

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This "keep asking until they say yes" strategy is by design and has been a common tactic used by the EU power centers in the past. See the way the Treaty of Lisbon was rejected in referendums, and then people were just made to vote again. Or the way the British pro-EU faction proclaimed in 2016 that Leave/Remain was a once in a generation vote to settle the issue for all time, then immediately started agitating for a…

Isn't that how politics works? People keep pushing for what they want until they get it.

No, moratoriums are a thing.

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Post by vouwfietsman »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #292
vouwfietsman wrote: post #282

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> So you like the law, but don't like how it didn't actually solve the problem it was trying to solve? (Not the person you replied to) I'm not sure where all of this is coming from, the law is actually extremely obvious and useful: you want to track people, they have to be informed , and have to consent . The law says nothing about how, and the way it was implemented was entirely up to the corporations discretion, wh…

> Do you feel like people are now aware that cookies are being installed, more so than before the banner? Do people understand that they are consenting to this? > That is the law at work. The problem is that's not what anybody, including the users, want. Nobody cares that browsers have cookies as an implementation detail. It's a ridiculous thing to use as the basis of a privacy rule. Does the user care that the site…

I am eagerly awaiting your grassroots campaign to define legislation that would tackle such uses, and also eagerly awaiting it backfiring because of malicious compliance.

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Post by orbital-decay »

consensus1 wrote: post #331
idiotsecant wrote: post #164

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You ... Work on aspects of your society that Russian bots can seize on? Fracture point propaganda campaigns only work because we let those issues fester.

That, unlike other proposed solutions, would certainly work. The problem is that these political fracture points are there because of opposing interests between different groups in society. This can be easily solved in more authoritarian government structures by simply choosing a winner and a loser, but in democracy not so much. And while I don't have any doubt in my mind that there are foreign entities working to ex…

No, most of these are due to corruption and populism, also lack of interest in solving real problems. It's pretty simple to understand.

Foreign entities (a particular one really) is a tool used by corrupt politicians in each country. Eventually your political field becomes "who is the biggest traitor" and then you're finished, fascism is the only direction this is headed towards. This is your real destination, very closely modeled after that one foreign entity you have in mind. It already went through all these phases.

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Post by spacebanana7 »

thrance wrote: post #343
spacebanana7 wrote: post #120

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A couple of decades ago both France and Britain had higher per capita GDP than the US. Now they are significantly behind. Similarly top European companies used to rival American companies in profitability, power and valuation. There’s not really an equivalent of FAANG/ NVIDIA in Europe, just ASML and LVMH.

We French still get higher life expectancy, more free time, free education and healthcare... GDP per Capita is a terrible metric. Not claiming that everything's sunshine and rainbows over here, but at least we aren't ruled by a proto fascist pedo actively ridding the country of its democratic institutions and destroying public service after public service to give more wealth to his pedo friends.

Most of the GDP per capita divergence has happened since 2008. My same comment could’ve been written when Biden was president.

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Post by HDBaseT »

slim wrote: post #181
Cider9986 wrote: post #174

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>Fahrenheit 451 We are quite far away from that. On the contrary knowledge is preserved better than ever. Anna's Archive estimates they have preserved 16% of the world's books, all available to download with an internet connection. https://annas-archive.gl/faq On the other hand, I can see the side of Fahrenheit 451 where the people don't value books which is what allowed the book burning in the first place.

annas archive is a single point of failure

Anna's Archive is not a single point of failure. It is a duplication effort of tens of other shadow libraries.

You cannot "upload" directly to Anna's Archive for example. It must appear on other sites like Libgen or Z-Library.

Downloads are served by different "partner" servers, almost no downloads come directly from Anna's Archive, they are all distributed around to other servers.

Almost the entire Anna's Archive datasets are available as torrents, which are intentionally to avoid a "single point of failure". [1]

If Anna's Archive shut down tomorrow, almost every single file would still be accessible, albeit in a slightly less convenient manner. The whole system is not flawless, the sheer size of the content is hard to handle, but its one of the best efforts in the space and calling Anna's Archive a single point of failure seems disingenuous to me. I recommend reading Anna's Archive FAQ's and Blogs for more information.

[0] https://annas-archive.gd/faq [1] https://annas-archive.gd/torrents

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Post by noisem4ker »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #292
vouwfietsman wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So you like the law, but don't like how it didn't actually solve the problem it was trying to solve? (Not the person you replied to) I'm not sure where all of this is coming from, the law is actually extremely obvious and useful: you want to track people, they have to be informed , and have to consent . The law says nothing about how, and the way it was implemented was entirely up to the corporations discretion, wh…

> Do you feel like people are now aware that cookies are being installed, more so than before the banner? Do people understand that they are consenting to this? > That is the law at work. The problem is that's not what anybody, including the users, want. Nobody cares that browsers have cookies as an implementation detail. It's a ridiculous thing to use as the basis of a privacy rule. Does the user care that the site…

Cookies are not the basis of the law, which is about tracking in general, abstracted from the exact means and implementation details.

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Post by cluckindan »

Chu4eeno wrote: post #124
kachurovskiy wrote: post #63

Instead of the usual knee-jerk it would be nice to see some level-header analysis on mechanics of these things - who pays for the time of the people that decide to push this particular piece of legislation, how they manage to get into the door, who personally makes the proposal, how they gather support for it.

Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore (no joke).

In other words, CIA.
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