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Re: The KIDS Act would require age checks to get online

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Post by lotu »

triceratops wrote: post #323
mschuster91 wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's quite a lot of statistics saying currently teens struggle with mental health even more than is historically normal for teenagers. [1, 2] Young people are also spending less time with friends, drinking less, and having less sex than ever before. Yeah. No surprise. The generation of my parents used to run free in the woods. My generation was limited to whatever bicycles offered. And when I have children, I'll…

> I'll have to fear getting the cops called on me if they ever drink enough to end up in a hospital (which is a routine thing these days). Nobody, of any age, should drink that much.

Doesn’t imply that the cops should be involved in prevention.

Re: The KIDS Act would require age checks to get online

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Post by Terr_ »

And all age-checks will be identity-checks.

Oh, sure, you can imagine a system where they aren't, but is bill isn't going to get us that? Nope! It's going to get us something stupid and ripe for abuse, and the mere presence of what comes next will poison the environment against any better option.

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Post by Terr_ »

laughing_man wrote: post #260
anjiro wrote: post #206

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Super awesome as long as your kids never go anywhere they could access a non-locked-down device. And assuming that device parental controls work, which (at least on iOS) they don't [1]. 1. https://www.macworld.com/article/2305919/apple-parental-cont...

There's a big difference between your kid accessing inappropriate things at a friends house for a few hours a month and having that stuff at his or her fingertips 24/7. If parents were really concerned about this stuff they'd take the time to set up parental controls, but they don't. Which makes me pretty sure the push for all this isn't coming from parents.

Also, (b)locking at the device level has a crucial benefit: It brings enforcement into a physical realm where parents can detect and manage exceptions.

If Little Timmy has a phone you don't recognize in his hand, then you know that's a problem.

It also insulates every website from needing to support Orthodox Latverian messianism where male children below the age of 17 lunar years cannot see unclad ankles.

Re: The KIDS Act would require age checks to get online

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Post by triceratops »

lotu wrote: post #331
triceratops wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'll have to fear getting the cops called on me if they ever drink enough to end up in a hospital (which is a routine thing these days). Nobody, of any age, should drink that much.

Doesn’t imply that the cops should be involved in prevention.

I didn't say they should be. Calling it "routine" is downplaying the seriousness of it though.

Re: The KIDS Act would require age checks to get online

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Post by noosphr »

someothherguyy wrote: post #185
noosphr wrote: post #108

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Money is a poor substitute for people who care. The only people who think otherwise are terminally online losers who have never organized anything larger than a birthday party.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/09/19/money-power-... seems like a lot more people believe that than the population you are describing

This changes substantially when you ask people about their _own_ representatives:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/09/19/how-american...

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Post by winrid »

ars wrote: post #281
bArray wrote: post #225

Anybody else think it is weird that suddenly all Western countries suddenly want to lockdown the internet to "protect the children"? There is surely an international special interest group lobbying for this?

Why is it weird? Social media has existed for around the same amount of time for all western countries, and people have noticed the harm at around the same time everywhere. Why do you require some special interest? Ordinary people are seeing the harm and demanding help. Tech companies did themselves no favors by locking down phones and accounts to the point that it's impossible for parents to police and/or check thei…

It's not about the kids.

It's so Facebook can prove to advertisers the views are not bots/AI.

Re: The KIDS Act would require age checks to get online

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Post by winrid »

RaiyanYahya wrote: post #310

Anything to protect identities online is valid. I wonder how many apps and websites will have to do or implement age verifications ? And how ?

Your ISP will eventually require a new protocol that can hold your digital ID in every packet to access certain content and you'll have to upgrade/migrate your OS if you want to view p0rn etc.

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Post by protocolture »

bArray wrote: post #225

Anybody else think it is weird that suddenly all Western countries suddenly want to lockdown the internet to "protect the children"? There is surely an international special interest group lobbying for this?

Its Australia.

No joke our politicians subject us to something stupid, and then travel around telling their foreign peers how amazing and genius they are for doing so. They help write the legislation for other countries. Of course they later return and have to deal with the results of their stupidity, but its already been sold.

Re: The KIDS Act would require age checks to get online

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Post by jusssi »

triceratops wrote: post #323
mschuster91 wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's quite a lot of statistics saying currently teens struggle with mental health even more than is historically normal for teenagers. [1, 2] Young people are also spending less time with friends, drinking less, and having less sex than ever before. Yeah. No surprise. The generation of my parents used to run free in the woods. My generation was limited to whatever bicycles offered. And when I have children, I'll…

> I'll have to fear getting the cops called on me if they ever drink enough to end up in a hospital (which is a routine thing these days). Nobody, of any age, should drink that much.

Obviously, but the whole argument against the regulation is, if they're not free to find out themselves, they'll turn up worse.

We'll lose some, but the surviving ones will be fitter.

Re: The KIDS Act would require age checks to get online

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Post by nullbio »

bArray wrote: post #225

Anybody else think it is weird that suddenly all Western countries suddenly want to lockdown the internet to "protect the children"? There is surely an international special interest group lobbying for this?

Feels more like a joint effort given the way the world is going with AI. Likely, everyone who has access to the internet will require a passport to authenticate and access all websites, including AI bots. That way, any illegitimate activity from AI bots can be traced back to individuals.
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