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HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by emj »

adrianN wrote: post #11
dc3k wrote: post #3

Disregarding the fact that this thing is completely broken, its grading rubric is ridiculous to begin with (as was mentioned in the article itself, but I must reiterate how completely stupid this is): > 35 points for open source contributions > 30 for personal projects I don't contribute to open source or have personal projects because I don't spend my free time doing what I do 40 hours a week to make a living. My 15…

They are selecting for people who are fine working in their free time. If you contribute to open source you are more likely to contribute to the company on weekends. If instead you have other hobbies or a family that takes up non-work hours you are more likely to drop your pen after forty hours.

You might have numbers on that but after working in a place with a strict no more than 40 hour policy my view is that people overwork for many reasons. Being an open source enthusiast is not one of them.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by psalaun »

rkuska wrote: post #16

This reminds me of my former CTO. He would take bunch of CVs and randomly throw some of them in a bin. He didn’t want to work with “unlucky” people.

I thought this was only an old urban legend; some people actually use this technique? Especially in a trade supposed to be led by people trained in sciences?

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by hahahaa »

steve_j_choi wrote: post #13

This could be used as a good way to self-evaluate one's current position from the company's point of view. you would tweak prompts and guidelines that are expected from the company and see how you score

I sort of hope we land on 2 agents, one working for the candidate and one for the employee do a screen round. Salary compatiability could be negotiated by a 3rd party bot that knows both parties ranges and what would be needed each end of range, and figure out yes/no worth going ahead. Such a time saver.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by Brian_K_White »

jerrythegerbil wrote: post #18
kyralis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? Or is it a 65% chance of a resume getting ignored before a single human sees it, reducing your pipeline's likelihood of catching qualified candidates by the same? Gates that reduce resume flow-through are only useful if their reduction is correlated with quality. Otherwise they're just dragging out your hiring process or unnecessarily causing you to ultimately lower your hiring bars.

> Gates that reduce resume flow-through are only useful if their reduction is correlated with quality. The volume is infeasible to review everyone for quality, even at an hour scale. The conclusion and solution is inevitable, though I wish it were different. 35% is actually really good if you’re not coming in through a referral. The current reality is <1% and the person reviewing you is exhausted.

This reasoning isn't.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by neya »

I wonder how is this even legal? The only useful job the HR departments are ever required to do - they decide to automate it? Aside from being a daycare for adults, what exactly does HR accomplish? It's clearly NOT on the side of employees, but this seems like they're clearly NOT on the side of employers, either.

While resume's are being filtered left and right, they just make TikTok's on company's dime [1]. What a sad state of affairs.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wSug80Vg5JU

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by sevenzero »

jerrythegerbil wrote: post #18
kyralis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? Or is it a 65% chance of a resume getting ignored before a single human sees it, reducing your pipeline's likelihood of catching qualified candidates by the same? Gates that reduce resume flow-through are only useful if their reduction is correlated with quality. Otherwise they're just dragging out your hiring process or unnecessarily causing you to ultimately lower your hiring bars.

> Gates that reduce resume flow-through are only useful if their reduction is correlated with quality. The volume is infeasible to review everyone for quality, even at an hour scale. The conclusion and solution is inevitable, though I wish it were different. 35% is actually really good if you’re not coming in through a referral. The current reality is <1% and the person reviewing you is exhausted.

What a inhumane way of looking at this. Hiring is deeply flawed, you know it, and yet you keep job postings open for weeks/months in case "the one" magically appears on your doorstep instead of just interviewing 10-20 people and just pick one...

Corpo bullshittery at its finest.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by ivan_gammel »

bluechair wrote: post #10
dvt wrote: post #6

An alarming number of people don't understand that LLMs work via purely stochastic processes, so I'm happy to see in-depth pieces like this. I'm looking for a job and maybe this is why it's so hard to get a callback these days: resumes are just dumped in some LLM black hole and no one really knows how it works. The author says: > temperature 0.1 — low, supposedly nudging the model toward deterministic outputs This is…

Willing to be corrected but I believe this type of automated resume filtering is illegal. Not saying it never happens but my understanding is it is not typical.

In situations when you get hundreds of applications for one open position (real market now), whatever reduces your pool to the size a human can handle, works. You can preserve some diversity metrics in the process. This particular filtering is rather primitive, but LLM as a first filter can definitely do the job. You may burn less tokens than the hourly rate of your HR and it will be fairer than just dumping 50% of unread CVs in trash.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by gs17 »

I'm a little confused, is this an ATS system that anyone actually uses? If not, I'm not sure how it's better than just asking ChatGPT to score your resume out of 100. Why would you want to optimize your resume for a system no one is using to score it?
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