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Post by xbar »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #309
Grombobulous wrote: post #303

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Age restriction puts the burden and punishment on citizens. Your proposal to punish parents does the same. How about a solution that puts burden on corporations for once?

Because corporations don't have children? Incentivizing parents to parent aligns the obligation, agency, and responsibility. People who don't want that level of responsibility can not have children.

Because there are bad parents, all people must give up all anonymity?

You are asking for society to bear the burdens of the people you want to change. That is bad policy.

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Post by Grombobulous »

paytonjjones wrote: post #317
Grombobulous wrote: post #303

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Age restriction puts the burden and punishment on citizens. Your proposal to punish parents does the same. How about a solution that puts burden on corporations for once?

That's great messaging, but what exactly are you materially proposing that's different? If you make corporations liable for minors using their product, they're just going to require identity verification to use their product, and we're back to effectively the same proposal, right? Unless I've misunderstood you.

I am specifically not proposing any material solution.

It seems like it’s been easy for every corporate-backed actor to come up with solutions that burden everyday citizens.

Now we’re yet again burdened to solve a problem corporations created.

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Post by triceratops »

mschuster91 wrote: post #257
michaelt wrote: post #197

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There's quite a lot of statistics saying currently teens struggle with mental health even more than is historically normal for teenagers. [1, 2] Young people are also spending less time with friends, drinking less, and having less sex than ever before. Obviously it's difficult to pin a 20-year trend on a single cause. But most parents have the sense their teens spend too much time on their phones; and with social med…

> There's quite a lot of statistics saying currently teens struggle with mental health even more than is historically normal for teenagers. [1, 2] Young people are also spending less time with friends, drinking less, and having less sex than ever before. Yeah. No surprise. The generation of my parents used to run free in the woods. My generation was limited to whatever bicycles offered. And when I have children, I'll…

> I'll have to fear getting the cops called on me if they ever drink enough to end up in a hospital (which is a routine thing these days).

Nobody, of any age, should drink that much.

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Post by deepsun »

paytonjjones wrote: post #317
Grombobulous wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Age restriction puts the burden and punishment on citizens. Your proposal to punish parents does the same. How about a solution that puts burden on corporations for once?

That's great messaging, but what exactly are you materially proposing that's different? If you make corporations liable for minors using their product, they're just going to require identity verification to use their product, and we're back to effectively the same proposal, right? Unless I've misunderstood you.

And that's fine. I'm pretty sure my nephew's high school friends will all quit Facebook for once and move to a decentralized platform or even install their own servers. The teenagers can go pretty far and learn advanced stuff if they want to. I bet their minecraft home is more complex.

And I already know their opinion on the age restrictions.

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Post by Aeolun »

pibaker wrote: post #315
michaelt wrote: post #197

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There's quite a lot of statistics saying currently teens struggle with mental health even more than is historically normal for teenagers. [1, 2] Young people are also spending less time with friends, drinking less, and having less sex than ever before. Obviously it's difficult to pin a 20-year trend on a single cause. But most parents have the sense their teens spend too much time on their phones; and with social med…

I find it kind of hilarious that we spent ages trying to make teenagers not hang out in public spaces, not to drink, not to fuck. And now they have finally obliged, we start to take their obedience as a sign of declining mental health. Maybe kids would be better off if we stopped regulating every facet of their lives under the pretence of safety and make them feel if they make one mistake they will ruin their life be…

> Maybe kids would be better of if we stopped regulating every facet of their lives

I think this has been pretty conclusively proven.

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Post by ghastmaster »

SidewaysView wrote: post #319
ghastmaster wrote: post #296

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Politics works that way sometimes. It could be a fad. It could be the culmination of years of the intelligentsia, political, and corporate benefactors finding this to be the right time to move forward. There has been a lot of propaganda since the mid teens targeting the social and psychological impacts of social media. It is certainly plausible that some group or the aforementioned entities had a big part of this. Re…

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Your response made me realize the book burning analogy was not appropriate. What I meant to allude to was the historical mentions of people reading all day and not playing outside. Mass production of books led to a cultural change that I have seen reports of it being perceived as anti-social. I admit I had a beer or two before making that comment. I don't understand people's negative reaction to new media. It has been happening for a long time. I repeat. History is repeating itself.

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Post by Aeolun »

duxup wrote: post #174

I remember when the advice was to NOT give out your personal information online. Now it's "present your personal info when demanded or else".

Yeah, I remember when I finally had my own address and could stop entering nonsense. Felt like a rite of passage.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

xbar wrote: post #321
kelseyfrog wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because corporations don't have children? Incentivizing parents to parent aligns the obligation, agency, and responsibility. People who don't want that level of responsibility can not have children.

Because there are bad parents, all people must give up all anonymity? You are asking for society to bear the burdens of the people you want to change. That is bad policy.

Parents can still be held legally liable without any online age checks. Expanding criminal neglect to include social media access is in lieu of age verification.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

Grombobulous wrote: post #314
kelseyfrog wrote: post #309

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Because corporations don't have children? Incentivizing parents to parent aligns the obligation, agency, and responsibility. People who don't want that level of responsibility can not have children.

Certainly a lot of people do need to approach parenting better. However, I simultaneously think that a lot of “personal responsibility” culture is very convenient ideology for corporations. Nothing is ever their fault. Everything is a failing of personal obligation, agency, and responsibility. A whole bunch of things that make good parenting so difficult are directly the fault of corporations. There is zero mandatory…

A lack of age checks and zero legal liability for giving kids access to social media is the current state. Which is to say a big "Too bad!" to the kids who have access to social media now.

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Post by cute_boi »

athrowaway3z wrote: post #17

Targeting the kids is so infuriatingly successful tactics. It gives the adults the option to be apathetic. In reality, anyone who is a kid now will never know any better. It just means we're the last generations that had the luxury of a world that remembered what privacy was.

They will always have reason. If it wasn't kids it will be national security or women....
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