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Re: We need tech news sources which exclude AI

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Post by zzzeek »

aspenmartin wrote: post #21
retired wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a consultant I am looking forward to being hired by companies to get rid of all the vibe code and to replace it with beautiful maintainable artisanal code.

Idk if someone paying attention to how 2025 and 2026 have gone thinks that by 2028 we will be backing off of agenting coding that is wild. Like the other comment says: future models refactor the code of older models.

You can use LLMs heavily without ever actually "vibe coding". I do think to the degree "vibe coding" continues to exist there will always be work to do in turning some portion of vibe coded work into more robust production quality code. You can still use LLMs to do this you just have to maintain control over architectural choices.

Re: We need tech news sources which exclude AI

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #28
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by “motivated speech?” Do you mean it’s puffery or scammy?

With cryptocurrencies/NFTs/etc. everybody talked them up because they are invested in Bitcoin or whatnot. With LLMs, everybody talks them up because they are invested in Nvidia or have other exposure (which is almost everybody considering with all the datacenter building if this industry tanks US economy is also), or because they are invested in having jobs.

So then what of people who’ve been working in AI for decades?

specifically those who like me are very excited about the future and have been excited about every step of the way since they got started?

In my case this is all going fantastically as planned and almost perfectly on the Kurzweil timeline. so as a 40+ person who has been wanting an Oracle in my pocket forever, we are closer to that then we have ever been. why the fuck wouldn’t I be excited about that? there was nothing like this in the 1980s and that’s a fact.

The concept of the Dick Tracy watch was science fiction when I was a kid and my kids all have Dick Tracy watches casually. That’s unbelievable!

The technology is amazing. Our society is the problem. People are attributing to AI what are ultimately society problems, much like the nuclear debate a century ago.

Re: We need tech news sources which exclude AI

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Post by marcus_holmes »

retired wrote: post #18
marcus_holmes wrote: post #13

I've been coding professionally for over 30 years. LLMs have changed the profession more in the last 12 months than anything else has in all that 30 years. I would totally understand your position if it was, say, crypto that you wanted to exclude. The whole of crypto finance is an edifice of scam built on some interesting but not very useful maths, and there's nothing to redeem it. There are no interesting tech discu…

As a consultant I am looking forward to being hired by companies to get rid of all the vibe code and to replace it with beautiful maintainable artisanal code.

I saw this play out in Y2K, and yes, I was also looking forward to getting paid an absolute fortune to refactor all those old VB applications at their end of life.

Now, no. All that work will be done by an LLM. I'm afraid we don't get to play at being the returning heroes like those old COBOL dudes did.

Re: We need tech news sources which exclude AI

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Post by ares623 »

newsomix9xl wrote: post #31
ares623 wrote: post #12

we need entirely new communities where "contributors" all share a common understanding that they will not publish AI for other contributors to consume. They can all individually create and consume AI outside of this community of course.

The model of crowd sourcing semi anonymous sources makes this, I think, nearly impossible.

That's why I say "contributors" rather than "members". It would be like an open-source project with contributor guidelines. But instead of source code people are sharing text and media.

Re: We need tech news sources which exclude AI

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

api wrote: post #22
retired wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a consultant I am looking forward to being hired by companies to get rid of all the vibe code and to replace it with beautiful maintainable artisanal code.

I wonder if people said this about compilers. Some day they’ll replace all that compiler generated junk with hand crafted ASM. This reminds me of that. The spec is the new high level language. Code is ASM. ASM is like CPU microcode.

The difference between compilers and LLMs is that compilers actually work. LLMs do not produce a usable result, no matter how much AI bros try to convince everyone else otherwise.

Re: We need tech news sources which exclude AI

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Post by joeyguerra »

retired wrote: post #18
marcus_holmes wrote: post #13

I've been coding professionally for over 30 years. LLMs have changed the profession more in the last 12 months than anything else has in all that 30 years. I would totally understand your position if it was, say, crypto that you wanted to exclude. The whole of crypto finance is an edifice of scam built on some interesting but not very useful maths, and there's nothing to redeem it. There are no interesting tech discu…

As a consultant I am looking forward to being hired by companies to get rid of all the vibe code and to replace it with beautiful maintainable artisanal code.

I already get hired to replace/fix code built by humans.

Re: We need tech news sources which exclude AI

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Post by botfriendsarent »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #13

I've been coding professionally for over 30 years. LLMs have changed the profession more in the last 12 months than anything else has in all that 30 years. I would totally understand your position if it was, say, crypto that you wanted to exclude. The whole of crypto finance is an edifice of scam built on some interesting but not very useful maths, and there's nothing to redeem it. There are no interesting tech discu…

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