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Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Yes, and the article author is fully aware of that. Thank you for pointing out this small mistake though.

It looks like the author is specifically avoiding model's name, because results are really weird. Opus 4.8/4.7 scored 28% Opus 4.6 score 37% So the author thought as let's not get into that just write Claude.

Where is the weird part?

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Does a bit worse than Opus 4.8 in my tests[0], but it's 5x cheaper and 3x slower. [0]: https://aibenchy.com/compare/anthropic-claude-opus-4-8-mediu...

Not sure what to make if your benchmark because GPT 5.5(low) ranks higher than GPT 5.5 (medium) -- #4 vs #9

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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I have taken another look on these open models after the fiasco of Fable and GPT 5.6 this weekend and... GLM-5.2 truly is a good workhorse model for daily programming. I consider myself a heavy user of LLMs and a seasoned developer. A typical session for me with GPT is usually over a hundred dollars... This weekend I programmed a matrix bot with encryption and a Rust agent with some tools. Because I need one and Open…

> A typical session for me with GPT is usually over a hundred dollars. I don't think a $100 session is "typical". I use GPT for months. $20/m plus plan is enough for my daily work.

I have Claude max plan and the vscode claude dashboard plugin has logged about $4k worth of tokens in the past 2 months. I upgraded because I was using my weekly basic plan tokens in like 5 hours.

Likewise, I don't understand how anyone survives on the basic plans. It's funny seeing these two camps not understanding what the other is doing :)

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Does a bit worse than Opus 4.8 in my tests[0], but it's 5x cheaper and 3x slower. [0]: https://aibenchy.com/compare/anthropic-claude-opus-4-8-mediu...

Not sure what to make if your benchmark because GPT 5.5(low) ranks higher than GPT 5.5 (medium) -- #4 vs #9

You'd be surprised, some models on high do worse than on medium, because they start overthinking and doubting themselves, polluting the context with too much information, etc.

It depends a lot on the task and harness too (using plans and to-do lists, vs one-shot answers), but for simply answering directly to an inquiry, often extra thinking doesn't necessarily improve the answer, especially if the answer is binary, or can be correct or wrong, as opposed to having more time to refine a creative output.

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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I have taken another look on these open models after the fiasco of Fable and GPT 5.6 this weekend and... GLM-5.2 truly is a good workhorse model for daily programming. I consider myself a heavy user of LLMs and a seasoned developer. A typical session for me with GPT is usually over a hundred dollars... This weekend I programmed a matrix bot with encryption and a Rust agent with some tools. Because I need one and Open…

> A typical session for me with GPT is usually over a hundred dollars. I don't think a $100 session is "typical". I use GPT for months. $20/m plus plan is enough for my daily work.

I use an observability tool with claude code [1] that shows me usage including prompt and session cost. Even though I use a max subscription, it's interesting to see what it would cost me if I was using API directly.

My typical session ranges from $100-$400 - higher end when using workflows with lots of subagents. $100/session is expected when using the API without the subsidized subscription pricing. Most larger orgs have to use API pricing AFAIK.

[1] https://github.com/simple10/agents-observe

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Does a bit worse than Opus 4.8 in my tests[0], but it's 5x cheaper and 3x slower. [0]: https://aibenchy.com/compare/anthropic-claude-opus-4-8-mediu...

Not sure what to make if your benchmark because GPT 5.5(low) ranks higher than GPT 5.5 (medium) -- #4 vs #9

Another example was Gemini 3.1 flash lite, which on high was basically just burning tokens, costing like 30x more, while giving worse answers:

https://aibenchy.com/compare/google-gemini-3-1-flash-lite-hi...

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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The rumour is that it's trained on Opus, but who knows

Oh of course all deepseek and glm are. Multiple people have seen GLM self report that it is claude, which makes it super obvious. I think the surprising thing is I expect flash to be a pure distillation and strictly worse quality but clearly it’s more nuanced than that.

Claude claims to be deepseek, under some circumstances:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepSeek/comments/1rd5jw7/claude_so...

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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GLM 5.2 is a great model, but if you only want to use the best model available, it isn't there yet. Every lab releases models that memorize benchmark answers, both intentionally and unintentionally. But we consistently find that models from Chinese labs have a wider gap between public benchmarks and our evaluations, which we designed to be less vulnerable to benchmaxxing. In multi-agent coding environments, GLM 5.2 i…

Opus 4.6 is still my preferred model for work, so this is great to hear.

I can't wait for open models to take over in all categories.

Sounds like this is the year for coding.

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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I added GLM 5.2 to my security bug hunting benchmark when it came out, and found it to be a good performer, but not the best open model. The benchmark tests whether models can find bugs Mythos found. The best open models in the initial benchmark were DeepSeek V4 Pro or MiMo 2.5 Pro. But it turned out MiMo got lucky, it's performed worse on almost every test I've done since, while DeepSeek has consistently been among…

I believe it is because GLM 5.2 has extra anti-cyber training instilled in it. Similar to Kimi k2.7 code.

Deepseek v4 pro being in preview with less "safety" training makes it stronger for that reason. Thinking will be different and in the end, it will actually try to be useful. Just expect future Chinese LLMs to further push out "safety" guided LLMs. The future is bleak for open weight models. Prepare to have "guidelines" enforced unceremoniously to all.

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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I have taken another look on these open models after the fiasco of Fable and GPT 5.6 this weekend and... GLM-5.2 truly is a good workhorse model for daily programming. I consider myself a heavy user of LLMs and a seasoned developer. A typical session for me with GPT is usually over a hundred dollars... This weekend I programmed a matrix bot with encryption and a Rust agent with some tools. Because I need one and Open…

Twenty dollars? How are you comfortable spending that much to write something as simple as a matrix bot? Are people doing this kind of thing just super rich or am I missing something?

A lot of people spend $20 on a hobby for an hour of enjoyment a couple times a week. Not odd at all to do that for a few hours of coding if you find it fun. It could be a day pass at a bouldering gym or a yoga class or amortized running shoes/garmin/electrolytes.
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