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The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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post #126

It's a well-written monologue, with a fabulous delivery, but I think it fails spectacularly for this argument. From what I just looked into, neither of the main people involved, including Damon, Affleck, Williams, Van Sant, Reiner or Goldman, had personally experienced those scenarios of fighting on the front lines and having a friend die in their arms, or of losing their spouse to cancer. But nevertheless, they had…

Every time one watches a romantic scene in some film you know it's fake. Actors present a totally fake version of life. Every story has to be dramatised to get over the fact that it's largely boring to people who haven't lived it. We watch so many films that they probably give us an odd impression of what reality is, what's possible, what' likely. I know what it is to sit by my mother's bed with my brain burning itse…

The article and your comment reminds me of one of my favourite songs which is a beautiful tribute to the ordinary - even dull - moments that make up life.

The song starts with a man in his deathbed whose life flashes before his eyes. As he is about to pass, he pleads with God to have one last chance to write down his ordinary life from start to end:

  Please! Seeing my life like this
  It made me think
  I could state succinctly everything life is
  If you gave me ink.
  And I could maybe print every speech and thought,
  And release my plot on these streets I’ve walked,
  With a piece of chalk.
  To paint the sharpest image of a heart
  *Cuz as much as art can mimic
  Nothing’s as real as a life told from start to finish*
He writes his story down on the floor of his town, and when he is done he finally passes. The next day people find his writing and are enthralled with what he described, moved by the candid retelling of an ordinary life:

  People came from everywhere
  They read the story through for days
  It wasn’t nothing new or strange
  Still they were moved and amazed
  *It wasn’t the places he’d been or the people he’d met
  It was the spaces between and the secrets he’d kept.*
  They wept joyfully, for the greatest story no one told
  Was just the story of an ordinary man growing old
I love the emphasised lines. People focus on the big moments - where you go, who you meet - yet what actually captivated the readers were the small moments that fill the gaps between everything else. That's where the real life is.

The song is "A Story No-One Told" by Shad https://genius.com/Shad-a-story-no-one-told-lyrics

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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I concede that Robin Williams was a good actor and a real professional. It takes one (of each) to deliver such a dumb monologue with grace and conviction, without stumbling over the inane blandness of the material. He carries it through like the pro he clearly was. Whoever wrote that thing though should burn in writer's hell, boiled forever in stale ink and old IBM keyboards. Five minutes of an older man god-moding a…

How can it be an elder dude fantasy when it was written by Matt Damon and Ben Affleck when they were in college? Robin Williams' character isn't pwning anyone. He's a therapist trying to get through to a patient who's completely walled up and trying to deflect by by analyzing the therapists' painting in his office to comment on his wife's passing.

When I think about elder dude fantasizing about pwning the rascal youth, I think of those self-written scenes of a boomer/early GenX actor asking for "black coffee", then delivering a diatribe to the Gen Z minimum wage worker who's contractually obligated to try to upsell them on the higher-priced and infuriatingly named mixed coffee beverages.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time one watches a romantic scene in some film you know it's fake. Actors present a totally fake version of life. Every story has to be dramatised to get over the fact that it's largely boring to people who haven't lived it. We watch so many films that they probably give us an odd impression of what reality is, what's possible, what' likely. I know what it is to sit by my mother's bed with my brain burning itse…

> I changed my daughter's nappies 1000s of times and no amount of poo mattered to me. I'd do it all again in a heartbeat. It doesn't make a film. Don't say that. Adam Sandler might be reading these comments and...

It doesn't take too big of a stretch to say that "Click" is this movie.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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post #171
post #166

To me this feels like analogue for sentience, consciousness & intelligence. Our attempts at dissecting the mind. Which is the "true" us? Knowledge? Wisdom? The humanity of our experience? It's fascinating that technology brings up such questions. But the slop question... I think the slop question is different. LLMs are new. But, slop is a product of media as it happened to exist when LLMs showed up. > an era defined…

I created a personal philosophy of code awfulness because back in 2012 I worked in a code base that was so bad it completely baffled all my attempts to categorize it. This and thus is why code is bad. Oh wait a second. They're doing something terrible that's completely orthogonal to the sum total of awfulness encounter so far. The best (worst?) one was a demonstration mode that the product had. Functions would call f…

Continuation passing style by spawning a new thread with the continuation function. Wow. I remember trying to wrap my head around how Erlang implemented infinite loops with recursion (tail recursion with a trampoline I guess?) but never would have guessed it could be done in C by spawning a thread.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> luxury of an emotion without paying for it That’s just an echo of a religious-age idea that one’s life “must” include suffering. Which is merely an attempt to answer a “why” when one feels miserable, a consoling lie from the ancient times. But what if one isn’t supposed to? A lot of people can slogan about price, and earning and breaking sweat, and so on - but is there really anything to it, except that this is how…

>That’s just an echo of a religious-age idea that one’s life “must” include suffering it's not a religious idea. You find it in Nietzsche as much as in anyone else, maybe the most atheist philosopher to ever live. And the point isn't that you suffer for the sake of suffering, it's that engaging the world rather retreating into your own comfortable feelings always includes the possibility of suffering. Going out into…

I'm not really familiar with Nietzsche (I've tried to read, but can't really break through his language - maybe someday), but I've always felt like he was a very reactionary atheist. His amor fati sentiments seem have pretty strong Christian roots, even if he replants it into a different soil.

Any interaction, with another human, machine, or even self can trigger any emotions. I most certainly was pretty pissed at LLM behavior. So I'm not sure the "talking to ChatGPT doesn't" really holds true. I can totally agree that the risk of mismatched expectation is inseparable from life (unless omniscience is possible, which I doubt), but no interaction is mandatory.

What I'm arguing is that there's no mandate how to live one's life, where to source enjoyment, and what to value. If someone wishes and can actually afford to go full incommunicado - there is no some rule that says they mustn't or even shouldn't.

We aren't messing with non-contact tribes after all - folks wanna live their own way, we leave them be. Do you want to force them into the global world?

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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It's a well-written monologue, with a fabulous delivery, but I think it fails spectacularly for this argument. From what I just looked into, neither of the main people involved, including Damon, Affleck, Williams, Van Sant, Reiner or Goldman, had personally experienced those scenarios of fighting on the front lines and having a friend die in their arms, or of losing their spouse to cancer. But nevertheless, they had…

Well said! The lines from this movie are written in a way that make it easy for people to relate to this vague notion that 'experience' is different from 'learning'. But quantitatively speaking it's less clear what the difference really is. After all isn't experience simply another type of learning?

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT has taken to saying things like “What I would do now is…” or “if I were you I’d…”. I know these are figures of speech, but it reminds me that this thing doesn’t do anything, it doesn’t learn anything, it can’t try anything and find out. And yet it uses speech patterns drawn from real humans who can and do all those things.

I had claude throw something like "the last time I did ..." at me. They seem to be trying to pump up the "humanity" to keep people engaged with it, which really backfires with me.

Never forget…there is no “they”.

The most likely explanation is that those patterns were common in the training data the LLM is mimicking.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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post #8

I agree. This Robin Williams monologue nails exactly why LLMs make us so uneasy. They speak fluently and confidently about experiences it’s impossible for them to have. They can’t taste a strawberry or do any of the things Robin Williams names. There are a number of people building these machines who literally believe the machines will replace us and because they will be more powerful than us so nothing meaningful wi…

This is literally an argument for why people will remain important. Because people are the stakeholders and the tasters and the feelers. AI is just another tool, albeit an unusually fascinating one.

Just as long the AIs don’t kill us all.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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post #8

I agree. This Robin Williams monologue nails exactly why LLMs make us so uneasy. They speak fluently and confidently about experiences it’s impossible for them to have. They can’t taste a strawberry or do any of the things Robin Williams names. There are a number of people building these machines who literally believe the machines will replace us and because they will be more powerful than us so nothing meaningful wi…

> people building these machines who literally believe the machines will replace us and because they will be more powerful than us so nothing meaningful will be lost I have a pet theory on why that's the case and why this monologue fits so well. I think there's a variety of conditions, from straight up sociopathy, to Will's type of CPTSD, autistic masking, and probably a hell of a lot more that makes a person experie…

You’re describing sociopathy.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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post #8

I agree. This Robin Williams monologue nails exactly why LLMs make us so uneasy. They speak fluently and confidently about experiences it’s impossible for them to have. They can’t taste a strawberry or do any of the things Robin Williams names. There are a number of people building these machines who literally believe the machines will replace us and because they will be more powerful than us so nothing meaningful wi…

It's a movie. The whole thing is fiction. Robin Williams memorized the whole monologue, or was reading que cards.

True.

Also, this is not a pipe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images

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