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Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Post by eunos »

skissane wrote: post #85
solenoid0937 wrote: post #3

GLM export controls incoming? I predict Commerce will force OpenRouter, HuggingFace to take some open models down within the next few months. Not that it would make any sense.

> GLM export controls incoming? I predict Commerce will force OpenRouter, HuggingFace to take some open models down within the next few months. I’m sceptical they could find the legal framework to do this even if they wanted to They have legal authority to (a) prevent export of US goods/services; (b) ban imports of physical goods; (c) ban transactions (including purchasing services or license agreements) with foreign…

OpenRouter or Huggingface should consider moving to Switzerland

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

Aditya_Garg wrote: post #139
pimeys wrote: post #59

I have taken another look on these open models after the fiasco of Fable and GPT 5.6 this weekend and... GLM-5.2 truly is a good workhorse model for daily programming. I consider myself a heavy user of LLMs and a seasoned developer. A typical session for me with GPT is usually over a hundred dollars... This weekend I programmed a matrix bot with encryption and a Rust agent with some tools. Because I need one and Open…

Im really curious about this. Why pay API pricing? I burn 1000s of dollars a month of api according to claude usage but only pay the $100 subscription

There is a whole iceberg topic on subsidizing.

So your question is really “if they’re giving free usage, why not take advantage of it?”

I do, so I don’t know the reasons not to, other than to experiment.

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Post by Sanzig »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #81
Aurornis wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 8 X RTX6000. It will run you around 80-100k to get started 8 x RTX6000 GPUs cost $100,000 alone. You then need to build a system that can support those GPUs with enough PCIe lanes through a PCIe switch. It's going to be $120K to $150K to build or buy a system to run this.

You can run the NV4FP quant with 8x RTX6000 cards at 50-75 tps output, but not (practically speaking) the OEM FP8 version. You will learn more about PCIe than you ever wanted to know. The real gangstas are running 16x RTX6000s. Too rich for my blood, and the NV4FP quant doesn't seem to be that much worse.

Anyone done any benchmarks on the NV4FP quant? Seriously considering pitching an 8 x RTX 6000 Pro box at work to run GLM-5.2 in an air gapped environment.

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Post by phs318u »

bardak wrote: post #124
skissane wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They could ban payment processors from processing payments to any hosts of GML 5.2 Can they actually though? Do they have legal authority to tell a payment processor that it has to block transactions of a legal US company, just because the company is hosting a Chinese-developed open source model? I’m sceptical And what about companies (e.g. AWS) that let you “bring your own model”?

It would be extremely heavy handed but the administration has sanctioned the International Criminal Court judges such that they basically have no access to the Wests modern financial system. I think domestic US providers would have to deal with different ways but someone like Herzner could easily be cut off from the financial system if the administration doesn't feel that they are adequately blocking the model

Swapping the footgun for a huge long-range boomerang doesn’t mean it’s not going to eventually swing around and whack you in the back of the head.

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Post by generichuman »

kordlessagain wrote: post #2

You can launch GLM-5.2 in Opencode using Nemesis8: https://github.com/DeepBlueDynamics/nemesis8#nemesis-8 After installing, do a `n8 build` to build the image, then `n8 --danger --provider opencode interactive` to launch it in a container. Signup for GLM-5.2 here: https://z.ai

You can use GLM in OpenCode with a z.ai subscription by default as well. Also it'd be good if you mentioned you were involved with nemesis8.

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #83
Ken_At_EM wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't help but ask where this comment came from, you must have some exposure..

It is so easy to spend $100K on a pickup truck these days, it's not even funny.

Factory F350 Platinum is at least 90k sticker.

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Post by horsawlarway »

Aditya_Garg wrote: post #139
pimeys wrote: post #59

I have taken another look on these open models after the fiasco of Fable and GPT 5.6 this weekend and... GLM-5.2 truly is a good workhorse model for daily programming. I consider myself a heavy user of LLMs and a seasoned developer. A typical session for me with GPT is usually over a hundred dollars... This weekend I programmed a matrix bot with encryption and a Rust agent with some tools. Because I need one and Open…

Im really curious about this. Why pay API pricing? I burn 1000s of dollars a month of api according to claude usage but only pay the $100 subscription

My increasing frustration with these plans is the harness lock in.

Anthropic won't even let you run "claude -p [prompt]" any more... They bill it at api rates.

So if you're trying to automate the ai (and seriously, that's the point) the subsidized plans are crippled.

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

horsawlarway wrote: post #147
Aditya_Garg wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Im really curious about this. Why pay API pricing? I burn 1000s of dollars a month of api according to claude usage but only pay the $100 subscription

My increasing frustration with these plans is the harness lock in. Anthropic won't even let you run "claude -p [prompt]" any more... They bill it at api rates. So if you're trying to automate the ai (and seriously, that's the point) the subsidized plans are crippled.

I think they rolled that back

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Post by yieldcrv »

who is your favorite hosted GLM 5.2 provider? I'm looking for fastest tokens/sec and best cost

additionally, reliable API, because z.ai can be finicky

also, not for Enterprise use, but I like non-US providers, I don't care if the party happens to be the one reading my information and stealing my trade secrets, if they won't respond to a US subpoena

Re: GLM 5.2 beats Claude in our benchmarks

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Post by jliptzin »

8note wrote: post #58
dakolli wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8 X RTX6000. It will run you around 80-100k to get started with a model at this size with decent tps.. Don't worry though, open source evangelists will tell you that these will be running on your phone in the next 3 years. For $100k you could run this model 24/7 through open router with 10 concurrent sessions at 50tps for a decade and have money left over for a vacation. There's no point in investing this type of mon…

you can however, have fun with it. oil workers buy 100k trucks they do not-much with. why not a 100k in computer?

Yea as far has hobbies go, I feel like this is on the low end. I know people who collect watches and corvettes, that's way more expensive and functionally you can't really do anything special with them.
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