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Professor denounces mass AI fraud on an exam at Brown

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Re: Professor denounces mass AI fraud on an exam at Brown

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Post by mrkeen »

danny_codes wrote: post #7

Damn that's crazy. Guess the take home test is dead now. I never understood this behavior from undergrads though, you're paying so much for an education and then you just skip the education part? Why bother?

* I am in the state of not knowing about something

* This is brought to my attention by an exam question

* I have an oracle in the form of a textbook, an LLM, the internet, or all of the above

Which action is skipping the education: looking up the answer, or not looking up the answer?

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Post by em-bee »

dgellow wrote: post #48
gedy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, but it feels like a Pyrrhic victory to not cheat, then get lower scores than the cheaters.

Are those exams a contest? Like, they will only take the best N percentiles? Because if not, you’re competing only against yourself and should ignore others’ grades

if they are graded on a curve then they are competing against each other.

Re: Professor denounces mass AI fraud on an exam at Brown

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Post by vatsachak »

userbinator wrote: post #49

take-home, closed-book type What an oxymoron. I agree with the others here that AI isn't the problem.

The other day some sucker told me, "don't throw that trash over there it's littering" and I told that sucker "there's no way anyone could enforce it" lol.

Some people get up in their jimmies about this but if they don't want me doing something they should make it impossible to do it

Re: Professor denounces mass AI fraud on an exam at Brown

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Post by krackers »

cherryteastain wrote: post #37

His research is in Game Theory. He should have realized that, in a situation where all competitors are (possibly) using LLMs, the game theoretic optimal choice is to use LLMs.

Game Theory seems sort of useless in the real world because people are not rational players, and the real challenge is in getting an accurate model of their behavior. The honor system would work probably fine in a tiny close-knit liberal arts college, while it would obviously wouldn't in a place where the degree itself is the target.

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Post by llbbdd »

BeetleB wrote: post #63
userbinator wrote: post #49

take-home, closed-book type What an oxymoron. I agree with the others here that AI isn't the problem.

I've had such exams. It was the honor system. The idea is that a typical exam is too short to evaluate the student's knowledge and a belief that fast students shouldn't have an advantage.

Fast students are smarter. Why avoid grading on that?

EDIT: Rate limited so: "smarter" here means how well the student will perform in a career in their chosen field. Fast + accurate is the ideal.

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Post by smitty1e »

nitwit005 wrote: post #24

These articles consistently fail to acknowledge students were cheating in large numbers prior to these AI tools being available. It was certainly not difficult to cheat at a "closed book" take home exam before.

The whole discussion consistently fails to acknowledge that, in a day where we have a Supreme Court Justice who cannot define "woman", education devolves into anarchy.

Surf the chaos, bro.

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Post by walrus01 »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #57

In the AI era, tests are going to have to be in person and hand written. I have written an article on how I have adjusted my classes to the situation: https://htmx.org/essays/universities-and-ai/ Ironically, I think the AI era may make university degrees a better signal of the intellectual abilities of students due to the presence of pre-computer infrastructure like large lecture halls, industrial-scale copiers, etc.

> In the AI era, tests are going to have to be in person and hand written.

Forcing hand written should really not be necessary. It would be very cheap in terms of old computing hardware to set up a test room with old desktop PCs that have wired only NICs (with a network connection that goes to a switch in the same room with no uplink, connected to a decent size laser printer only), running something like lubuntu and libreoffice writer as a basic word processor.

Let people at least type their essay with the standard features of a word processor as usable as MS Word 2000 or better.

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