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Daisugi, the Japanese technique of growing trees out of other trees (2020)

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Re: Daisugi, the Japanese technique of growing trees out of other trees (2020)

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Post by jibal »

dang wrote: post #22
gordonhart wrote: post #5

Interesting technique, horrible article. Manages to convey significantly less information than the X thread it mined for ad revenue. https://xcancel.com/wrathofgnon/status/1250287741247426565

Not sure that's entirely fair - openculture.com is usually pretty good, and the article draws on multiple sources. But I take your word for it that the twitter thread is good and have added it to the top text.

That tweet is not original text either, has no citations, and is not the source of the openculture article.

Re: Daisugi, the Japanese technique of growing trees out of other trees (2020)

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Post by jibal »

cwillu wrote: post #16
broken-kebab wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's exactly it. But call it 'giant bonsai', and it sounds like a new discovery.

Well, except for the part where it depends on a mutation.

It doesn't depend on a mutation.

Re: Daisugi, the Japanese technique of growing trees out of other trees (2020)

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Post by quadrifoliate »

thrownawaysz wrote: post #13
operation_moose wrote: post #3

Isn't this just Pollarding and/or Coppicing, which have been practiced for at least 2000 years in Europe (and probably many other cultures as well), with a healthy dose of orientalism added on top?

>with a healthy dose of orientalism added on top Also known as 'Thing, Japan'. HN eats up articles like this every single week. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/thing-japan

> Also known as 'Thing, Japan'. HN eats up articles like this every single week.

And invariably the top comment is a "Thing Also in Europe/US" smugly citing that the commenter knows about something that's vaguely similar which happens to be in their neck of woods rather than Japan; and therefore makes the article irrelevant (this part is never adequately explained).

The most recent one I remember was reacting to something about konbinis by saying "So what, Poland also has lots of convenience stores".

Re: Daisugi, the Japanese technique of growing trees out of other trees (2020)

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Post by quadrifoliate »

operation_moose wrote: post #3

Isn't this just Pollarding and/or Coppicing, which have been practiced for at least 2000 years in Europe (and probably many other cultures as well), with a healthy dose of orientalism added on top?

Please link a photo of a coppice/pollard in Europe that's as straight as this, along with the location where I can see it.

If you do, I have got a great new travel destination. If you don't then everyone else (and hopefully you too) will understand why people think this is special enough to link beyond the fact that it happens to be in Japan.

Re: Daisugi, the Japanese technique of growing trees out of other trees (2020)

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Post by zer00eyz »

stymaar wrote: post #18
operation_moose wrote: post #3

Isn't this just Pollarding and/or Coppicing, which have been practiced for at least 2000 years in Europe (and probably many other cultures as well), with a healthy dose of orientalism added on top?

Are coppicing and pollarding used at all to produce timber? I had the impression that it was done only to make firewood, and was cut repeatedly without letting it grow like described in the article.

I had first heard of the concept of doing this to trees as it related to the production of arrows...

Re: Daisugi, the Japanese technique of growing trees out of other trees (2020)

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Post by dang »

jibal wrote: post #31
dang wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure that's entirely fair - openculture.com is usually pretty good, and the article draws on multiple sources. But I take your word for it that the twitter thread is good and have added it to the top text.

That tweet is not original text either, has no citations, and is not the source of the openculture article.

It's mentioned at the end, IIRC.

Re: Daisugi, the Japanese technique of growing trees out of other trees (2020)

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Post by cwillu »

jibal wrote: post #32
cwillu wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, except for the part where it depends on a mutation.

It doesn't depend on a mutation.

“It is a little different, more like pollarding, and it doesn't work with any other conifers than saplings from one specific mutant cedar in a shrine near Kyoto.”

https://xcancel.com/wrathofgnon/status/1250287741247426565

Re: Daisugi, the Japanese technique of growing trees out of other trees (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

cwillu wrote: post #38
jibal wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't depend on a mutation.

“It is a little different, more like pollarding, and it doesn't work with any other conifers than saplings from one specific mutant cedar in a shrine near Kyoto.” https://xcancel.com/wrathofgnon/status/1250287741247426565

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Re: Daisugi, the Japanese technique of growing trees out of other trees (2020)

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Post by broken-kebab »

cwillu wrote: post #16
broken-kebab wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's exactly it. But call it 'giant bonsai', and it sounds like a new discovery.

Well, except for the part where it depends on a mutation.

Unless you believe that Japanese version makes trees mutate, it's still pollarding.
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