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The US Used to Demand the Best Tech. Now We Ban It

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Re: The US Used to Demand the Best Tech. Now We Ban It

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I don't understand the surprise in this article. This particular story is absolutely nothing new—the Germans and Japanese did it first to the US car market, which is inefficient, stuck in a bygone era, and propped up by government protectionism. Nearly all* American cars have been backwards in all metrics since about the 1970s. In general, if you wanted... Reliability: Japanese. Value: Korean, French, Japanese. Perfo…

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Re: The US Used to Demand the Best Tech. Now We Ban It

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I've said this before and I will say it again. I don't see any problem in allowing Chinese cars in the US if China manufactures them here under a 49:51 joint venture with an American company. Also, I'm not sure how long CCP will keep on bankrolling their car companies. They are now competing with each other pushing the profits lower. Over the last year BYD stock is down 40%. Take a look at their auto manufacturers in…

The administration disagrees with you, having just banned the made in South Carolina PoleStar vehicles

Re: The US Used to Demand the Best Tech. Now We Ban It

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I don't understand the surprise in this article. This particular story is absolutely nothing new—the Germans and Japanese did it first to the US car market, which is inefficient, stuck in a bygone era, and propped up by government protectionism. Nearly all* American cars have been backwards in all metrics since about the 1970s. In general, if you wanted... Reliability: Japanese. Value: Korean, French, Japanese. Perfo…

The EV-only companies build much better EVs than companies that also build ICE cars. It took Tesla to get EVs going in the US.

It will be interesting to see if Slate's little electric pickup truck really ships at the promised price point. They're advertising and taking pre-orders. Delivery dates are vague. "Q4 2026" probably means "a few demo units". Maybe in 2027.

Incidentally, the Donut Labs solid-state battery appears to have been a scam.[1] They were supposed to ship electric motorcycles with it in Q1 2026, and we're almost into Q3. "$25 million raised from 1,300+ small investors", says Electrek. Their "solid state" battery seems to be an ordinary pouch type lithium-ion battery, no better than a good lithium-ion battery.

CATL's CEO says that they're at level 4 (Component/breadboard validation in lab) of 9 in terms of technology maturity. That's worse than expected at this point. There are lots of announcements of "breakthroughs", and at least two test vehicles on the road (Mercedes and Ducati), but nobody has volume manufacturing working yet.

[1] https://electrek.co/2026/06/08/donut-lab-solid-state-battery...

[2] https://electrek.co/2026/06/25/catl-solid-state-battery-leve...

Re: The US Used to Demand the Best Tech. Now We Ban It

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

4) add taxes to effectively double price of gasoline

The price of electricity in Europe is also approximately double that of the US.

This is not true, it varies widely between countries, just as it varies between states in the US.

Re: The US Used to Demand the Best Tech. Now We Ban It

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

New car sales in Europe in 2026 are approaching 50% EV with essentially none of the above. Europe has had generous EV subsidies in the past, but in 2026 those are mostly (but not completely) gone.

Youre right, i forgot to add 4) europeans are environemtally conscious Americans however like their gas guzzling F150s. The reason I did the original comment was I know for a time the major car companies did a huge push into EVs. Like the ford 150 lightning, chevy bolt and mustang mach E. But they stopped manufacturing them due to weakened sales and profitability. Its a vicious feedback loop of consumer adoption, hig…

I don't think the jump in EV sales in Europe are primarily driven by environment consciousness.

The jump in EV sales this year are primarily driven by seeing what a psycho in the US whitehouse can immediately do to gasoline prices.

Gasoline only comes from one source., and is largely delivered around the world by shipping.

Electricity is able to be generated by many means, and is available everywhere.

I know several people in modest suburban homes, who generate all of their own electricity, including driving two EVs.

The supply chain can be very short.

There is no other form of energy that can deliver the individual and national energy independence that can be delivered by electricity.

Gasoline and petroleum in general can never, ever, ever, deliver this degree of autonomy.

Re: The US Used to Demand the Best Tech. Now We Ban It

#57

>Americans watch the rest of the world getting better, cheaper, ... If we wanted cheap cars, there needs to be demand to justify building giga factories of EVs. There just wasnt sufficient consumer demand to justify the giga factory investments China CAN generate demand for EVs because they have the political ability to 1) force gas restricted cars to only drive on certain days of the week 2) create a brutal lottery…

> Out govt system literally doesnt have the political will to do these brutal but effective policy changes I agree our country needs to really have some sort of revolution for the good of all humanity to force this change and overcome the entrenched interests of these greedy corporations. Maybe we come up with a plan to drastically solve our energy and industry problems, overcome all obstacles and bring about a wonde…

In your sarcasm, you seem unaware that China -- the country the OP uses as a comparison -- runs successful X-year plans under its hybrid capitalist model.

Re: The US Used to Demand the Best Tech. Now We Ban It

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The price of electricity in Europe is also approximately double that of the US.

This is not true, it varies widely between countries, just as it varies between states in the US.

The average price of electricity in Europe is 29 cents. The average price in the US is 17 cents. Both have a very wide variance. I'm not sure if there's anywhere in Europe that pay more than PG&E customers in the US...

Re: The US Used to Demand the Best Tech. Now We Ban It

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Effective Chinese subsidy per vehicle is lower than the $7000 per vehicle the US had in place.

Is that even knowable? The Chinese economy is very opaque.

The Europeans did a very good survey of Chinese subsidies when determining what tariff to impose on Chinese cars. When data was ambiguous, they chose the higher number, and/or forced the Chinese manufacturers to refute it with hard data. They settled on 17-34%.

Re: The US Used to Demand the Best Tech. Now We Ban It

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To play devil's advocate, there is some logic to banning Chinese cars, which is that their firmware risks sending telemetry to China, also disabling/malfunctioning the car if China were to have a military engagement with the US. I suggest a middle road which is that the entire telemetry surface and firmware updates must be domestically managed, with no room for a closed-source foreign entity to manipulate it. An EV r…

At this point, for me it's equally scary that the US government can do that. If I can't control the firmware then I don't really care for which government my car is spying for. It's all bad

If I was American, I'd be more worried about the American government & corporations spying on me because they're the one with the power over me. If I was Chinese, I'd be more worried about the Chinese government spying on me.
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