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5k menus from the New York Public Library’s Buttolph Collection (1880-1920)

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Interesting, these really old menus would not look too out of place at a restaurant today.

The first menu I opened had tongue sandwiches and hot beef tea. So some things have definitely changed!

Cow tongues are amazing with mashed potatoes amd horseradish sauce! Very well known dish in Central Europe

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As a foodie, I love this. In many respects, menus don’t seem to have drastically changed over the past 175ish years but it looks like a “Boiled” category was common early on, which I assume was because boiled foods were popular and/or easy for restaurants to make in bulk.

> menus don’t seem to have drastically changed over the past 175ish After looking at a dozen of the ones from the Boston area I have to say that my sampling disagrees with yours. Turtle, Sweetbreads, Venison, Mutton are all things that would get a foodie OUT to eat today and seem to have been much more common then. Also much of what I am seeing as "boiled" is going to range from "poached" (salmon) to "braised" (some…

Presumably eating in a place that had printed menu was a middle/upper class thing which would be a pretty small proportion of the population.

So it’s probably not exactly fair comparing with more casual modern restaurants.

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As a foodie, I love this. In many respects, menus don’t seem to have drastically changed over the past 175ish years but it looks like a “Boiled” category was common early on, which I assume was because boiled foods were popular and/or easy for restaurants to make in bulk.

One massive change is that there is almost no ethnic food on these menus (unless you include French). I looked at some of the LA menus and there were zero Asian, Mexican, or Italian dishes. It's impossible to imagine today that you could look at a bunch of hotel restaurant menus in LA and not find at least some dishes that were inspired by those cultures.

If you wanted Chinese fits in the 1800s, you went to a "chop suey" shop in Chinatown.

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Anyone interested in this might also like the tidbit that in Germany, they used to, and still count beer consumed as pencil strikes on the beer paper mat. Altering the number by the guest is legally considered forgery and the disappearance of the beer mat is also punishable by law. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bierdeckel#Urkundencharakter (in German, English wiki doesn't have this info)

> In some breweries and countries, the beer mat placed on the glass signals to the waiter that the guest does not want to drink any more beer. Interesting. I’ve always seen this as a signal that a person was stepping away, but coming back. The person would cover it while going to the bathroom, in part so it isn’t as trivial for someone to slip something in their drink. Implying that they intend to keep drinking it on…

It's useless for preventing someone from slipping a pill into the drink.

Works for preventing insects from flying in when sitting outside though.

Re: 5k menus from the New York Public Library’s Buttolph Collection (1880-1920)

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As a foodie, I love this. In many respects, menus don’t seem to have drastically changed over the past 175ish years but it looks like a “Boiled” category was common early on, which I assume was because boiled foods were popular and/or easy for restaurants to make in bulk.

Boiled would have included braised -- but there were meats that you grilled, because they were young and tender, and meats that you "boiled" to break down the collagen because they were mature and tough. Nowadays we rarely consume animals of that age, but then they often did so for economic reasons.

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Beer mat = "coaster" for the curious. I was originally thinking a paper tablecloth. It was pretty straightforward to understand via browser translation of the wikipedia article, thanks!

In Brazil they have a little pad they leave on the table next to the napkins

This is exactly the first thing I thought of considering the influence of Germany in Brazil culture especially in the south like Curitiba.

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Anyone interested in this might also like the tidbit that in Germany, they used to, and still count beer consumed as pencil strikes on the beer paper mat. Altering the number by the guest is legally considered forgery and the disappearance of the beer mat is also punishable by law. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bierdeckel#Urkundencharakter (in German, English wiki doesn't have this info)

In Málaga, Andalusia, Spain there is churinguito (a seafood place next to the beach) that doesn't really have a menu after 9pm. Waiters just walk in the dining area with a plate in hand and yell the name of the fish/seafood for peoole to ask for it. Each fish has a different kind of plate with a different price. When you ask for the bill, they just do the sum according to the plates left on the table. They had to cem…

This is also how conveyor-belt sushi restaurants near me calculate your bill - the plates are different colors, and each color has a price associated with it.

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Very cool. Recommend walking through the curated story here first then exploring the menu visualization https://pudding.cool/2026/06/menu-story/

Thanks! I've made that the top link and put the collection link in the toptext. Could go either way really...

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Interesting how little some things have changed. The prices, on the other hand, seem quite cheap--even after converting to 2026 dollars.

Yeah I saw cognac and other spirits on a menu in New York for $3.50 in today's prices.

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Unfortunately in Europe printed menus almost entirely disappeared after COVID. Before, leather-clad, elegant, printed menus were commonplace, but nowadays every place just has a QR code.

I'm in Europe and never seen a "just has a QR code" menu

In Spain what he says is sadly true, maybe like 70% of the restaurants no longer have printed menus.

But of course, saying "in Europe..." is always risky. Europe is very diverse.

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