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I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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Post by LearnYouALisp »

lostlogin wrote: post #131
engeljohnb wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm a radiologist Any comment that doesn't start with this or similar qulaification should be taken with a grain of salt (yes, including this one). Medical imaging is one of those things everyone thinks is simple because they don't know what they don't know. I'm a cardiac sonographer, and I have to assume radiologists hear at least as many eye-rolling takes on AI coming for their job as I do.

Ahh, AI is coming for your job. Full sarcasm, is there one that’s that’s more immune?

cough Immunology

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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Post by duxup »

hennell wrote: post #53

Personally my favourite feature of the new ai world is not when I use it directly but it's when one of my managers uses it to try to fix a problem, then issue to me their findings and I have to defend my process to someone who understands neither my process, their suggested solution nor often the problem they're solving in the first place.

Sometimes I get a lot of "Do you want me to work up how the UI will look."

They give me what they'd like the UI to look like, but none of the actual content fits outside the one situation they're thinking of.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thankfully where I work now everyone is good about taking no for an answer.

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Post by sarchertech »

raincole wrote: post #169
ricardobayes wrote: post #7

That might be doctors new nightmare: people who second guess everything with AI. Previously it was "google your symptoms".

People should've googled their symptoms and especially the prescriptions they got. It has always been a good practice. If[0] AI proves to be the new google then people should ask AI too. [0]: IF.

Do you know how many life threatening illnesses I’ve diagnosed myself with by googling symptoms?

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Post by calvinmorrison »

tarellel wrote: post #192
dwa3592 wrote: post #168

Was it 2016 when Geoff hinton said that radiology was a dead career? Well, we now have the best model of our time (trillions of $$$ of investments) telling us something completely different(and wrong) from a human expert. I would really like someone calling out dario, sam, elon on these things and hear their explanations but alas, a man can only dream.

It’s an odd field, obviously it’s in high demand for diagnostics and anytime you have to do an xray, MRI, etc you have to wait hours for one to become available. I think they’re artificially stunting the field to raise their wages. For example in my city the medical school only accepts 11 people into the program a year. (With an average graduation rate or 3-5). My niece has been trying for 2 years and finally got in…

free market solution is just order an x-ray machine from alibaba and setup shop. you could add a credit card swiper + ID + facial recognition to plausibly avoid over-xraying people

These days Xray machines - they don't even suit up in lead or stand behind a wall , just point and shoot. In fact they're nice and portable. I wish i had a xray machine at home.

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Post by thfuran »

microgpt wrote: post #171
brokencode wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I seriously doubt that data set poisoning will be a real limiter in model performance. For one, if your website/book is poisoned, who is going to trust it for anything at all, much less for training models? For two, all the major AI labs hire or contract for subject matter experts to create curated data sets, evaluate model performance, etc. Unless they hire malicious experts, this will provide a growing, high qualit…

Pretty easy to display one thing to verified browsers (just latest few user-agents from the 10ish different mainstream browsers on the 3 main OSes) and another to anything else. Yes AI scrapers can easily spoof user-agent, but they fall out of date as the browser updates. Bit harder to catch them in tarpits and then serve nonsense to whoever ever triggered the tarpit.

>Yes AI scrapers can easily spoof user-agent, but they fall out of date as the browser updates.

It’s a hell of a lot easier for a company to ensure that its scrapers all report the latest user agent string than it is to get everyone and their mother to update their browsers in a timely fashion.

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Post by Aurornis »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #83
dazhbog wrote: post #66

You should always be getting a second or third opinion from real doctors for matters like surgeries, radiology, etc. One doctor diagnosis + LLM is gonna throw you off. You need more datapoints.

In the US, this is standard advice. I note that the OP is in Germany. Maybe they do things differently, there.

The OP describes getting injected with a homeopathic botanical formulation and receiving another type of therapy that wasn’t indicated for his condition.

I wonder if this person was going to a traditional doctor or if they were visiting some type of specialty clinic as a second opinion. For most conditions you can find specialty clinics that will prescribe and administer (and bill for) a lot of non-indicated treatments, but some patients like being in the care of doctors who take action and do things after being recommended more conservative treatments by primary doctors.

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Post by mystifyingpoi »

hennell wrote: post #53

Personally my favourite feature of the new ai world is not when I use it directly but it's when one of my managers uses it to try to fix a problem, then issue to me their findings and I have to defend my process to someone who understands neither my process, their suggested solution nor often the problem they're solving in the first place.

Fight fire with fire. It's over the top passive aggresive, but it works. Whenever I get a JIRA ticket that was clearly AI generated and is 10x too many words, I tell Claude to respond to that ticket with my actual real opinion or suggestion, but make it 10x more words.

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Post by huhtenberg »

alistairSH wrote: post #129
throwforfeds wrote: post #100

I've seen a lot of friends and family members almost immediately get offered surgery for shoulder pain. It's just often the default for people that do surgeries for a living. I also had a pretty painful shoulder issue at one point, where the pain just wasn't subsiding for months. I tried massages and acupuncture as I didn't want to do surgery, but it wasn't helping at all. The thing that fixed it for me was just real…

On the flip side, when I had rotator cuff issues, the surgeon recommended months of physiotherapy before resorting to the knife. And it worked. And by weight training regularly with a focus on correct shoulder movement, the pain stays away. It really seems like if you, as a patient, go looking for a quick fix, that’s what you’ll be offered. And if you educate yourself a bit and then go t for the best fix for you, you…

What did you have exactly?

With calcifications, physio without the shockwave component definitely doesn't allow going back to the normal gym routine. It's just not enough.

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Post by uecker »

microgpt wrote: post #194
lostlogin wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI makes up for its poor reporting by enhancing the images. Current Siemens MR software ‘Deep Resolve’ makes up the signal (adding about 50%), then makes up every second pixel, and then, for 3D sequences, makes up every second slice. It’s locking about 59% of the time off each sequences. And it’s really really good. I’m an MR tech.

Sorry? You use AI to hallucinate medical images and that's good?

It is not really the same as LLMs. I wouldn't call it AI. And I wouldn't say "makes up". I work in this field and this is certainly based also in part on my research.

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Post by operatingthetan »

singpolyma3 wrote: post #210
operatingthetan wrote: post #193

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>This is the root of AI psychosis. There’s a lot of unpack here, and I won’t go too deep because you can’t really have a discussion with affected folks because their fundamental basis is not evidence, it’s belief. Treating it as if it is an intelligence is the problem. The problem is that AI psychosis is fundamentally the belief that an LLM is "thinking" at all. Outputs are just believable word vomit which resembles…

That presumes that we have a definition of "thinking" or that we know that anything is "thinking" when in fact neither is true. The problem is real but I don't think positing a philosophical root is helpful

The claim that we are assigning human-like agency to a machine with none is simple and factual.
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