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The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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Post by raverbashing »

Random09 wrote: post #20
paweladamczuk wrote: post #16

It's just like the new Copilot 365. Every time I try to type "Ć", Copilot pops up. I have to close the app constantly.

Every little thing like that creates a new Linux user. After switching I've never looked back. Posted from SteamOS.

Lol

For a good while the default US Intl keyboard in some Linux versions would give a ć instead of a ç for the combination c + '

Makes sense right? Except that made a lot of people angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move

Because Brazilian users were expecting c + ' to become ç

(And they had to use Alt Gr + c instead)

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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Post by cynicalsecurity »

reddalo wrote: post #39
quibono wrote: post #2

I believe the fact that Polish uses the Latin alphabet (with a small Slavic twist to express the extra sounds) meant it was much easier for Poland to align itself westward. I think the average Pole is much closer culturally to the Western neighbours than to a Ukrainian or Russian (maybe apart from cuisine).

Like Kazakhstan, which decided to switch from Cyrillic to the Latin alphabet [1] in order to align more with Europe and less with Russia. I wonder if Ukraine will do the same in a distant future... [1] https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180424-the-cost-of-ch...

Ukraine absolutely must ditch Cyrillic alphabet, after the war. There will be plenty of things to change.

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

raverbashing wrote: post #41
Random09 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every little thing like that creates a new Linux user. After switching I've never looked back. Posted from SteamOS.

Lol For a good while the default US Intl keyboard in some Linux versions would give a ć instead of a ç for the combination c + ' Makes sense right? Except that made a lot of people angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move Because Brazilian users were expecting c + ' to become ç (And they had to use Alt Gr + c instead)

The US international keyboard settings suck. It's more convenient to enable a compose key and do diacritics with that.

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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Post by rf15 »

SSLy wrote: post #33
paweladamczuk wrote: post #16

It's just like the new Copilot 365. Every time I try to type "Ć", Copilot pops up. I have to close the app constantly.

of course the absolute idiots at MSFT don't know their own APIs https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040329-00/?p=40...

To be fair, you have to have a very high average IQ at a company to produce an OS nobody understands anymore. Or you know, things like the legendary five-state boolean.[1]

[1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/microsoft.offic...

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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Post by rich_sasha »

broken-kebab wrote: post #25
q3k wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Polish cuisine is very similar to German cuisine. (This comment will make a lot of Polish people very upset.)

It's also true for Belarus, Baltics, and some parts of Ukraine. Generally, we can speak about North-Eastern European cuisine with potatoes, secale flour breads, and various pickled things. And that name will make a lot of everybody upset, cause everybody in those lands pretend they are "Central". Americans would not believe how many "geographical centers of Europe" are claimed there.

> Americans would not believe how many "geographical centers of Europe" are claimed there.

They have their own weirdnesses. How is Chicago "mid-west" when it is so far east? How is Virginia south?

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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Post by edukite »

raverbashing wrote: post #41
Random09 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every little thing like that creates a new Linux user. After switching I've never looked back. Posted from SteamOS.

Lol For a good while the default US Intl keyboard in some Linux versions would give a ć instead of a ç for the combination c + ' Makes sense right? Except that made a lot of people angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move Because Brazilian users were expecting c + ' to become ç (And they had to use Alt Gr + c instead)

As Pole I never had this issue. Why would you even use US Intl keyboard. Even for Arch with install everything manually I haven't any issues

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

#49

Post by raverbashing »

edukite wrote: post #48
raverbashing wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol For a good while the default US Intl keyboard in some Linux versions would give a ć instead of a ç for the combination c + ' Makes sense right? Except that made a lot of people angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move Because Brazilian users were expecting c + ' to become ç (And they had to use Alt Gr + c instead)

As Pole I never had this issue. Why would you even use US Intl keyboard. Even for Arch with install everything manually I haven't any issues

> Why would you even use US Intl keyboard

Because (for some reason) you don't have your "standard" keyboard - just the US ISO one

Some keyboards have an extra key (or maybe more than one) and hence can't be mapped fully with a US keyboard

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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Post by demetrius »

egorfine wrote: post #35
fsckboy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is not exactly right regarding Ukrainian. While it is the official language of Ukraine, in reality... let's say that not all Ukrainian people are actually speaking it. your "adjustment" didn't propose what other Slavic language would outnumber Ukrainian to be 3rd behind Polish and Russian, so you didn't move the needle.

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"Native speaker" is not a very useful term: it combines a lot of criteria (first acquired language, language you know best, language you identify with, language of your parents, language of your ethnic group etc.), and each of these criteria is further very fuzzy (e.g. I know plant names better in Ukrainian, but programming terms better in Russian, which language I know better? Competency is not a single value, ethnic identification is malleable and people can have several of these, etc.)

These criteria usually coincide in speakers of big languages (usually languages of [former] empires), so it's relatively easy to say who is a native speaker of Russian or English. There are a lot of people who fulfill all the criteria at once.

But they rarely coincide for speakers of smaller languages (usually colonised people). When most people are bilingual, it's often harder to say who is a native speaker of Ukrainian or Belarusian. Most people fulfill some criteria but not all of them.

So, the term "native speaker" is not neutral and not very useful.

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