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I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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Always worth a share for this scenario. It's not clear if LLMs are capable of doing actual analysis on medical imaging. For details see this article https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/frontier-models... > As detailed in a new, yet-to-be-peer-reviewed paper, a team of researchers at Stanford University found that frontier AI models readily generated “detailed image descriptions and elaborate reasoning traces…

I work at a telemedicine company. We’ve benchmarked a few frontier LLMs on public medical imaging datasets. One test included high-quality and high-consensus otoscopic images. We didn’t anticipate the models to do well on something so niche, but what concerned us was how poorly calibrated the models were.

I know you can’t trust an LLM’s self-assessed “confidence” of a prediction, but I’ve found that confidence can at least be directionally correct for some tasks. For our benchmarks, however, confidence was poorly correlated. What’s worse is that binary classification models (“Do you see $diagnosis in this photo?”) highly influenced the LLM to confidently predict $diagnosis.

I’m concerned for those using LLMs for diagnostics, and getting confidently led to the wrong conclusion.

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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That might be doctors new nightmare: people who second guess everything with AI. Previously it was "google your symptoms".

Well I live in the nightmare that is the Dutch healthcare system [1]. There are many things that they will fix but they didn’t fix my sleep. A friend fixed my sleep. He is a doctor and prescribed me the right thing. The thing is, he shouldn’t have had to intervene. Without him I could have ended up poor and destitute as my sleep was wrecking me. And yea, I already did all the standard things. CBT for insomnia helped…

Hey what did you do to fix your sleep? Help us all and maybe an llm will index your diagnosis (hi ChatGPT)

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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Personally my favourite feature of the new ai world is not when I use it directly but it's when one of my managers uses it to try to fix a problem, then issue to me their findings and I have to defend my process to someone who understands neither my process, their suggested solution nor often the problem they're solving in the first place.

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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That might be doctors new nightmare: people who second guess everything with AI. Previously it was "google your symptoms".

The NYT did this profile a while back: "Ben Riley was already writing about the risks of chatbots when his dad started trusting A.I. over his doctor."

The dad was a retired neuroscientist who delayed cancer treatment against medical advice because he was certain he had been misdiagnosed based on his own research that he did with the help of A.I.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/13/well/ai-chatbots-cancer.h...

There's a comment on the article from Ben Riley:

> I am very grateful to Teddy Rosenbluth for sharing my father's story with the world, her kindness and curiousity proved to be restorative in ways I didn't anticipate.

> The two words that everyone used to describe my dad: "intelligent" and "kind," and he was indeed both of those things. The sad irony here is that it was his human intelligence, combined with these strange new tools that purport to be a form of 'artificial' intelligence, that led to his ill-advised decision to forego the treatment he needed for his CLL. A doctor has already commented on this story with the observation that AI "confidently asserts erroneous conclusions," and we simply have no idea how often this is happening or the magnitude of the harm that results.

> Not a day goes by that I don't feel the pang of my father's absence. He might still be here if not for AI. I try not to think about that, but sometimes I can't help myself.

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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I feel like I'm going nuts. There are other commenters saying this is a good practice they've also done for other injuries. You are saying you are an actual radiologist and immediately clock the problems with its advice. I have seen this pattern over and over again. Anytime someone is an actual expert at anything, AI output appears insufficient or incomplete or outright misleading. It is only when you do not know wha…

This is the root of AI psychosis. There’s a lot of unpack here, and I won’t go too deep because you can’t really have a discussion with affected folks because their fundamental basis is not evidence, it’s belief.

It is weirdly religious in a way, because if you were to present contrary evidence (e.g. experts in a field weighing in about how plausible sounding responses are bunk), you would only be told you don’t believe enough in the long term potential and capabilities.

Don’t get me wrong, I think we all agree capabilities will eventually improve (and farther-future capabilities could reasonably surpass experts), but really is unclear if the current transformer architectures with their probabilistic/hallucinatory outputs will plateau before they surpass current experts abilities in all promised fields.

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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post #9

Always worth a share for this scenario. It's not clear if LLMs are capable of doing actual analysis on medical imaging. For details see this article https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/frontier-models... > As detailed in a new, yet-to-be-peer-reviewed paper, a team of researchers at Stanford University found that frontier AI models readily generated “detailed image descriptions and elaborate reasoning traces…

But why should I care? If you demonstrated that a model can perform more accurate diagnoses than a doctor, but also it had this strange behavior when no image was presented, why should that deter me from using the model?

Because you don’t have any way of telling if it actually used the image presented, or based it’s conclusions on a different image it made up

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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That might be doctors new nightmare: people who second guess everything with AI. Previously it was "google your symptoms".

No, this flow is actually very good.

Like any domain, when you have questions or need a solution, you make research first, then you ask a specialist.

If you explain well the symptoms and context you can have proper advices and then decide on the path next:

    Case A) It looks benign and advices / information that you collected seem reasonable, then you go your way.

    Case B) You need second opinion of a specialist because the subject is too complex, or there are medications that you need approval.
Once you have challenged LLMs, and read about the topics over and over then you genuinely become really good at understanding it (especially if you triangulate over LLMs and ask them to challenge, you start to have genuine questions). No matter if the answer is right or wrong, you have elements. Maybe you missed the point, but you come prepared.

At home you have the time to assess the options, pros and cons of each approaches, the possible questions to ask and then challenge the doctor.

Shared decision-making is an actual evidence-based model of care, and patients who arrive understanding their condition and carrying specific questions tend to get better attention and better outcomes.

Some doctors get annoyed, because they have big ego and choose to be patronizing, but it is exactly their job to answer such questions.

    With LLMs, it's quite good, you get nuanced and rather useful answers.

    Before LLMs, no matter the topic you searched for, the answer was the same: "you have cancer / an [obviously deadly] rare disease"
The other problem, in many places:

    • The doctors are not affordable
    • They are too busy for you (
+ you can have all of these factors together.

So, you have something deeply bothering you, your only appointment is in 4 months. It would be insane not to take the time to explore different solutions and not to come informed about the topic.

If you express your prompt properly and do not rely on imagery, you can absolutely have top-tier advices.

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

#58

I feel like I'm going nuts. There are other commenters saying this is a good practice they've also done for other injuries. You are saying you are an actual radiologist and immediately clock the problems with its advice. I have seen this pattern over and over again. Anytime someone is an actual expert at anything, AI output appears insufficient or incomplete or outright misleading. It is only when you do not know wha…

I see your argument, but it's not exactly news that an expert found a flaw in a popular tool. You could say the same about Wikipedia--experts have tons of issues with it, but Wikipedia still provides value to non-experts. The most likely alternative to Wikipedia for non-experts is simply not trying to learn anything new.

Similarly with LLMs, you can't just write them off entirely because they sometimes provide misleading or incorrect advice. The positive utility maximizing view is to learn when you need to call in an expert. I recently moved in to a new house and have used Claude extensively to figure out basic things (e.g., adjusting the garage door height, how to mount a TV). However, when the HVAC suddenly stopped working, I gave Claude a shot for an hour and tried some non-destructive fixes, but then realized I had to call in an HVAC expert.

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nightmare because they're always right and the A.I second guessing is always wrong, or because they just don't like to be second guessed?

Its a nightmare because it erodes trust. Doctors are not "always right" which is why "always get a second opinion" is codified in culture. But AI's problem is that its completely full of shit, sometimes, and the people most qualified to evaluate whether its full of shit are the doctors, not the patients, but just like OP's original article, patients are left feeling like their second opinion from AI might be more tru…

The notion that only doctors can verify is false! Doctors are better at verification but normal people can also verify. This is just empirically true.

Examples of things normal people can verify

- procedural errors that Claude can capture like some blatantly high dosage (grams instead of milligrams)

- outdated treatment plan, maybe there’s a credible new treatment plan that’s been used for years but the doctors were not updated

- literally being injected homeopathic drugs (takes no smart person to flag this)

Let’s stop talking as if doctors have a divine right here. And let’s accept some agency.

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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I feel like I'm going nuts. There are other commenters saying this is a good practice they've also done for other injuries. You are saying you are an actual radiologist and immediately clock the problems with its advice. I have seen this pattern over and over again. Anytime someone is an actual expert at anything, AI output appears insufficient or incomplete or outright misleading. It is only when you do not know wha…

On the flip side of this problem, novel best practices lag the medical standard of care, other human failures like corruption and competing priorities notwithstanding.

For example, we had to advocate for certain practices during the birth of our first child that became routine during our second several years later.

So, neither side is guaranteed correct, doctor or citizen researcher (which did not include LLMs in my case, for the record). The truest answer is also the most useless one, applicable to all fields: it depends.

The real question is: if you embrace being a layman, whom do you trust more: LLMs/the internet or experts, like doctors? I think the answer is pretty clearly experts.

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