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The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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Fun fact: when treated with unicode Normalization Form Canonical Decomposition, 8 out of 9 polish letters (ż,ó,ć,ę,ś,ą,ź,ń) break down into base letter + combining diacritical mark, but ł stays intact. That means you can't use sqlite's unicode61 remove_diacritics tokenizer to normalize polish text for FTS.

When a Polish speaker searches for something with “ł”, do they expect to also see “l”?

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Polish cuisine is very similar to German cuisine. (This comment will make a lot of Polish people very upset.)

It's also true for Belarus, Baltics, and some parts of Ukraine. Generally, we can speak about North-Eastern European cuisine with potatoes, secale flour breads, and various pickled things. And that name will make a lot of everybody upset, cause everybody in those lands pretend they are "Central". Americans would not believe how many "geographical centers of Europe" are claimed there.

I'm not sure how surprised Americans would be to learn that there are so many "centers of Europe". After all, we all know that Colorado is in "the west", Texas in the "southwest", and, clearly, "the South" is located in the geographical southeast :D

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

#33

It's just like the new Copilot 365. Every time I try to type "Ć", Copilot pops up. I have to close the app constantly.

of course the absolute idiots at MSFT don't know their own APIs https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040329-00/?p=40...

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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I believe the fact that Polish uses the Latin alphabet (with a small Slavic twist to express the extra sounds) meant it was much easier for Poland to align itself westward. I think the average Pole is much closer culturally to the Western neighbours than to a Ukrainian or Russian (maybe apart from cuisine).

Polish cuisine is very similar to German cuisine. (This comment will make a lot of Polish people very upset.)

Yes it's similar, but certainly not more than Ukrainian/Russian/Belarusian food.

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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post #29

> Polish is the second most-used Slavic language, right after Russian and just before Ukrainian This is not exactly right regarding Ukrainian. While it is the official language of Ukraine, in reality... let's say that not all Ukrainian people are actually speaking it.

> This is not exactly right regarding Ukrainian. While it is the official language of Ukraine, in reality... let's say that not all Ukrainian people are actually speaking it. your "adjustment" didn't propose what other Slavic language would outnumber Ukrainian to be 3rd behind Polish and Russian, so you didn't move the needle.

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Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also true for Belarus, Baltics, and some parts of Ukraine. Generally, we can speak about North-Eastern European cuisine with potatoes, secale flour breads, and various pickled things. And that name will make a lot of everybody upset, cause everybody in those lands pretend they are "Central". Americans would not believe how many "geographical centers of Europe" are claimed there.

I'm not sure how surprised Americans would be to learn that there are so many "centers of Europe". After all, we all know that Colorado is in "the west", Texas in the "southwest", and, clearly, "the South" is located in the geographical southeast :D

These American peculiarities are funny too, but they are mostly historical, and from that perspective have reasonable explanation. In turn "we are not Eastern, but Central" is relatively recent PR-born madness. Somebody decided that EE often associates with questionable things like alcohol consumption somehow, so the solution is to separate yourself from other drinkers by claiming being completely different "Central" kind. Nobody stops drinking meanwhile, because why would you? I simplify the story, of course, but the logic is exactly like that.

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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post #31

Fun fact: when treated with unicode Normalization Form Canonical Decomposition, 8 out of 9 polish letters (ż,ó,ć,ę,ś,ą,ź,ń) break down into base letter + combining diacritical mark, but ł stays intact. That means you can't use sqlite's unicode61 remove_diacritics tokenizer to normalize polish text for FTS.

When a Polish speaker searches for something with “ł”, do they expect to also see “l”?

No.

But the other way around sometimes yes.

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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As I am fond of saying: "The good news about Open Source is that you've got the source code; the bad news about Open Source is that _you've_ got the source code." That is, you may well get sucked down a rabbit hole in order to accomplish a simple task.

What?

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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I believe the fact that Polish uses the Latin alphabet (with a small Slavic twist to express the extra sounds) meant it was much easier for Poland to align itself westward. I think the average Pole is much closer culturally to the Western neighbours than to a Ukrainian or Russian (maybe apart from cuisine).

Like Kazakhstan, which decided to switch from Cyrillic to the Latin alphabet [1] in order to align more with Europe and less with Russia.

I wonder if Ukraine will do the same in a distant future...

[1] https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180424-the-cost-of-ch...

Re: The curious case of the disappearing Polish S (2015)

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This was a fun read. Here is the tl;dr version: > Instead of blindly and greedily blocking Ctrl S, we could block Ctrl S only if Alt key was not pressed. Ctrl alt s was the keyboard shortcut for the polish S. Ctrl s was blocked to improve saving. And this also blocked ctrl alt s too.

No, the shortcut was alt+s. That's what people typed. Then on Windows, which used alt-combinations already, it became rightalt+s (as the rightalt wasn't used by Windows itself) but instead of having a dedicated rightalt code, Windows would rewrite that key into a ctrl+alt code combination. If you're going to tl;dr, at least get the most important detail right. People only ever pressed alt, and Windows went "and now y…

Fair enough. Though as a laptop user, I didnt consider any emphasis on the right alt.
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