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I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

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Everyone talking about how doctors know better or have some context that is not shown here.

But are you all forgetting that they literally injected a homeopathic drug on the author?

Between that and Claude sometimes hallucinating, it’s probably worth encouraging patients to take second opinion always.

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

#42

That might be doctors new nightmare: people who second guess everything with AI. Previously it was "google your symptoms".

Nightmare because they're always right and the A.I second guessing is always wrong, or because they just don't like to be second guessed?

There’s more than two options here. It was already difficult to deal with self diagnosis for doctors, now we have a machine that outputs recommendations, and does it with confidence whether it’s correct or not.

The same issues that were present with search-engine self diagnosis are still present with LLMs. If you provide Google with an incomplete list of symptoms and can’t interpret the information you find correctly, you will likely get an incorrect diagnosis. The same is true for LLM output.

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

#43

I feel like I'm going nuts. There are other commenters saying this is a good practice they've also done for other injuries. You are saying you are an actual radiologist and immediately clock the problems with its advice. I have seen this pattern over and over again. Anytime someone is an actual expert at anything, AI output appears insufficient or incomplete or outright misleading. It is only when you do not know wha…

LLM is not necessarily an expert system. Once there are expert systems for law, healthcare, accounting, governance…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert_system

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

#45

That might be doctors new nightmare: people who second guess everything with AI. Previously it was "google your symptoms".

This is obviously going to happen. But sub-par and sloppy doctors are a thing too. Medicine has been using semi-intelligent systems for years that were nevertheless found to improve outcomes.

We need studies that quantify error rates from each source type, then we need to account for the fact that the artificial type will keep improving.

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

#46
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nightmare because they're always right and the A.I second guessing is always wrong, or because they just don't like to be second guessed?

Nightmare because the AI is just generating a random text that fits the question.

This is not a fair assessment of what AI is doing.

Studies have found that newer reasoning AIs are about as good at diagnosing illness from a written description of symptoms as doctors are.

Granted, it cannot actually examine a patient, so we're not replacing doctors anytime soon. But your view is obsolete.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adz4433

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

#47
Right now the article reads as "AI can play doctor if you give MRI scans".

If the author would actually go for a second opinion (maybe bring along the AI to let it explain it's findings), then the article could read as "AI did MRI analysis and proved my doctor wrong" (or: "AI did MRI analysis and failed").

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

#48

I feel like I'm going nuts. There are other commenters saying this is a good practice they've also done for other injuries. You are saying you are an actual radiologist and immediately clock the problems with its advice. I have seen this pattern over and over again. Anytime someone is an actual expert at anything, AI output appears insufficient or incomplete or outright misleading. It is only when you do not know wha…

> I have seen this pattern over and over again. Anytime someone is an actual expert at anything, AI output appears insufficient or incomplete or outright misleading.

AI isn't even the first instance of this phenomenon, news articles are like this as well.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

#49

I feel like I'm going nuts. There are other commenters saying this is a good practice they've also done for other injuries. You are saying you are an actual radiologist and immediately clock the problems with its advice. I have seen this pattern over and over again. Anytime someone is an actual expert at anything, AI output appears insufficient or incomplete or outright misleading. It is only when you do not know wha…

> no one else seems to find this to be quite damning for the AI services being offered, preferring instanced to be wowed by the convenience and speed at which they can be delivered unreviewed and unproven information "Be wowed by the convenience and speed", or merely "take advantage of the mere availability"? What most people find to be damning about expert advice is that they simply can't get it anywhere, at any cos…

So if you want to do a surgery but you don’t see any surgeons around you ask a grocery butcher to have his way?

Re: I used Claude Code to get a second opinion on my MRI

#50
Hey OP my wife had a subscap tear and went through with surgery. Recovery was ROUGH, she couldn’t use that arm at all for almost two months. It’s amazing how much this can cripple a person, we don’t realize how much we use both our hands for our daily lives until one is gone. Even basic stuff like cooking, bathing, etc. If you can avoid surgery you should. Try doing the Buckburger 12 (spelling?) shoulder physiotherapy regiment. You’ll need to even if you get surgery, but this can help with tedonopathy. Also try to identify what is causing the repetitive stress and cut back on that activity.
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