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Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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I have a peculiar medical condition which is that I don't sweat... because I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falkland's War.

Perhaps a nice relaxing week at my private Caribbean island will help cure you?

Do you have air conditioning?

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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post #107

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What are you talking about? That's absolutely not the case for ticks. And for mosquitos it's often doubtful at best, and false when it comes to disease carrying species as there are plenty of other species available.

This wasp seems quite specialized towards ticks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixodiphagus_hookeri

Sure. And those wasps maybe has other parasitic wasps, and those parasit wasps maybe have flees, who have bacterial diseases, who have viral diseases. All of them parasitic and all who would go extinct when that species goes extinct.

But that's not what the previous poster was talking about. This is not the basis of a food web, that's just a parasitic cul de sac. And there are basically infinite such things in nature.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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What are you talking about? That's absolutely not the case for ticks. And for mosquitos it's often doubtful at best, and false when it comes to disease carrying species as there are plenty of other species available.

Many birds feed on ticks. Some beetles and amphibians as well.

"Will eat" and is the "base of a food web" are radically different things. Humans "will eat" pistachios, but the eradication of pistachios will do absolutely nothing to the human species.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2870557/

TL;DR; antivaxers

Nope.

This is key paragraph from the link:

> The effects of vaccination on human behaviour presented yet another important uncertainty. Lyme vaccination, although it provides incomplete protection, may make individuals less likely to limit their exposure to ticks, which might actually increase their risk of Lyme and other tick-borne diseases (e.g. ehrlichiosis, babesiosis and Rocky Mountain spotted fever).

That was a very half-assed attempt. Hopefully a better one is coming soon.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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post #129

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Encephalitis is much more rare, but it's much worse than lyme. And there's a stab for it. Meanwhile Lyme is much more common, but much simplier to treat. Which is basically „take antibiotics or 3 to 21 days“ depending on how long it's been since the bite.

What is an "encephalitis stab"?

In my whereabouts tick-born encephalitis is a much bigger issue. But thankfully vaccine for it exists.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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That's easy - lyme disease. If you read the studies you linked, it even shows this very clearly. The first study is talking about constant occupational exposure. By people not wearing basic PPE, over the course of many many years. It's like taking a shower in permethrin every day for 30 minutes. You can pretty much substitute lots of every day things that get absorbed by skin for "permethrin" here and it would cause…

Do you mean people should wear PPE when in tick infested areas? I generally wear pants, full sleeve shirts, long socks etc whenever I go hiking but have still found ticks on me later on. Or do you mean something else by PPE?

No, i mean not wearing PPE while spraying pesticides. Most of them wear gloves. Maybe long sleeve shirt/pants. Respirator/masks are very rare.

Permethrin is not well absorbed through skin anyway (0.5-1%). But easily absorbed by breathing it.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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I've spread beneficial nematodes several times before and the following 2-3 years I get notably fewer tick bites. They are a bit of a pain to spread over any significant area.

Can you give us some more detail on the nematodes, or point us to an article?

I picked up the practice from a couple of conference talks I saw years ago. I used to spray a triple threat product sold by Arbco, but found these guys much cheaper so sprayed them this year (results pending).

https://www.naturesgoodguys.com/products/beneficial-nematode...

They are somewhat finicky because they need wet ground but too much rain right after will cause them to runoff instead of soak in.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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Can you give us some more detail on the nematodes, or point us to an article?

Commenting for future reference in case OP ever responds. Would love to learn more

Responded to sibling comment.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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Chill out. This is what I replied to: > No ticks at the altitude I reside. But with global warming it's slowly creeping up towards the towns further down. I wasn't making any causal claims such as this ^

It's a fact, though. You got too hung up on altitude, which I guess is just a proxy for temperature when I compare to neighboring towns. Been mentioned on the news etc that more and more towns get disease bearing ticks here, due to conditions for them getting better with global warming. Not sure why hearing a negative effect from global warming triggered you so?

Goodness, who's triggered here?

I merely attempted to point out nuance, that mono-causal explanations are lazy and perhaps ignore other factors that might go into the increase of ticks. Ecosystems change for all kinds of reasons, climate change among them.

I didn't make any claims that temperature or moisture doesn't affect tick populations, but maybe there are some other factors at play. For instance, lack of predators for ruminants and rodents, also perhaps human caused, but unrelated to climate.

This thread proves one again that nuance is lost on the internet.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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post #80

Seems likely that ticks should go in the same category as mosquitoes -- how long until we use gene-drive tech to completely eradicate them?

At what cost to the larger ecosystem. They are the base of a larger food web. Many creatures rely on eating them

But we have AI now to guide us and it will help ensure we prevent most major ecological miscalculations. The context is different now, given the change in the cost of planning and research into ecological side effects, unlike anything we had in the past.
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