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Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Post by logicchains » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 4:23 PM UTC

9dev wrote: post #59

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is going to further increase anti-EU sentiment. Rightfully so. Except for no-roaming-charges within EU, most people can't name one good regulation that came from EU and couldn't be handled individually by their own country in the last few decades. The latest example is 3eur customs tax per every item bought from china, even if it's a 1eur phone case (1eur + 3eur customs + 22% vat on both.... what's the added v…

Are you kidding me..? The freedom of movement across all member states, including the right to settle and start a business anywhere you like, that's not a "good regulation" to you? Being able to pay in all of those states without paying FX rates, bringing home your purchases across the border without tolls or even checkpoints no less? The funding of a massive amount of public benefit projects in poorer member states,…

>The freedom of movement across all member states, including the right to settle and start a business anywhere you like, that's not a "good regulation" to you

That's not regulation, that's a reduction in regulation.

Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Post by cyanydeez » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 4:24 PM UTC

Havoc wrote: post #58

The global push to kill privacy makes me sad. Feels like I grew up in a golden age and subsequent generations won't care because they never knew a different world

alright, but the important query is: this isn't happening in a vacuum, there's a lot of various forces.

Lets say the primary force we need to prevent is russian influence campaigns that back and push far right nationalists who will destabilize democracy. Is that a sufficient reason for controls?

It's always curious what people think about the actual content that's typically pushing these things.

Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Post by GTP » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 4:24 PM UTC

wqaatwt wrote: post #74

mcv wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's the lack of customs charges for items from other European countries. The common market is a really big advantage. There's the Euro, and in the past, the EU did a fairly decent job at holding large corporations accountable, although that seems to have disappeared with Neelie Kroes' retirement. And of course the lack of borders. Being able to go on vacation with no trouble is massive. Do we really want those bo…

You didn’t need the EU for the removal of trade barriers and the common market. Both were established quite a while before the EU as we know it now became a thing in the 90s. > we really want those border checks back Why? You don’t need to be in the EU to belong to Shengen.

The European Union is actually an union of treaties, with countries that sign some and not others. So here you would need to be more specific.

Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Post by tommica » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 4:25 PM UTC

jltsiren wrote: post #48

elric wrote: post #8

This is going to further increase anti-EU sentiment. This is unacceptable behaviour, but no politician is ever going to experience any negative consequences over this because they're so very far removed from the democratic process.

Most of the time, when "the EU" is doing something bad, it's actually the national governments wearing a different hat. The Parliament is pretty reasonable on the average, while the national policicians in the Council take advantage of the ignorance of the public. They can pursue their favorite policies without consequences, as the EU gets all the blame.

True, this seems to be Denmarks project

Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Post by tiahura » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 4:25 PM UTC

jvuygbbkuurx wrote: post #67

kubafu wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me you don't see the value in the tax as a way of discouraging people from ordering a pair of socks from the other side of the globe, while they can buy them locally?

Why let a middleman rentseek?

Where is the rentseeking in that example? Rentseeking is the expenditure of resources to influence the rules so you can charge rent. The sock merchant in the example isn’t.

Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Post by kmeisthax » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 4:25 PM UTC

jltsiren wrote: post #48

elric wrote: post #8

This is going to further increase anti-EU sentiment. This is unacceptable behaviour, but no politician is ever going to experience any negative consequences over this because they're so very far removed from the democratic process.

Most of the time, when "the EU" is doing something bad, it's actually the national governments wearing a different hat. The Parliament is pretty reasonable on the average, while the national policicians in the Council take advantage of the ignorance of the public. They can pursue their favorite policies without consequences, as the EU gets all the blame.

As an extension of this, look at the European Commission's response to the Stop Destroying Videogames[0] petition. It's utter dogshit. The petition is a pure consumer protection issue and the Commission's response is "but we can't touch IP rights". Bullshit, you guys made IP rights, you wrote all the rules surrounding them, and Donald Trump is about to drown you with them because America's tech oligarchs figured out your rulebook better than you knew it.

Or, if you think that issue's too niche, look at all the talk of "sovereign clouds". It's almost all "how can we build our own giant polluting AI datacenters" and not "how do we take our data back from the Americans". Because, ultimately, the European Commission is built out of an urge to submit to capital interests. The Epstein class are puppeting the EC in exactly the same way they puppet Donald Trump.

If there is any future in the EU, it will start with abolishing the European Commission to take away the capital class's accountability sink.

[0] For legal reasons, unrelated to Stop Killing Games, but they work together

Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Post by Sharlin » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 4:25 PM UTC

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #45

elric wrote: post #8

This is going to further increase anti-EU sentiment. This is unacceptable behaviour, but no politician is ever going to experience any negative consequences over this because they're so very far removed from the democratic process.

> This is going to further increase anti-EU sentiment. Rightfully so. Except for no-roaming-charges within EU, most people can't name one good regulation that came from EU and couldn't be handled individually by their own country in the last few decades. The latest example is 3eur customs tax per every item bought from china, even if it's a 1eur phone case (1eur + 3eur customs + 22% vat on both.... what's the added v…

> even if it's a 1eur phone case (1eur + 3eur customs +

That's the fucking point for fuck's sake! Pardon my language, but the entire point of the tariff is to stop people from buying masses of trivial things from the other side of the world, with all the externalities that it entails. This tariff tries to cover at least some fraction of said externalities.

People on HN should not be this clueless about basic economy. This tariff is one of the good things that the EU has done lately, but unfortunately it won't be popular among the common folk who just want their cheap unsustainable stuff without having to think about the consequences.

Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Post by Chu4eeno » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 4:26 PM UTC

jltsiren wrote: post #48

elric wrote: post #8

This is going to further increase anti-EU sentiment. This is unacceptable behaviour, but no politician is ever going to experience any negative consequences over this because they're so very far removed from the democratic process.

Most of the time, when "the EU" is doing something bad, it's actually the national governments wearing a different hat. The Parliament is pretty reasonable on the average, while the national policicians in the Council take advantage of the ignorance of the public. They can pursue their favorite policies without consequences, as the EU gets all the blame.

I don't think you can nicely divide it like that.

It seems to be mostly bad individuals, or just individuals with some bad ideas they refuse to give up.

Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Post by cyanydeez » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 4:26 PM UTC

jltsiren wrote: post #48

elric wrote: post #8

This is going to further increase anti-EU sentiment. This is unacceptable behaviour, but no politician is ever going to experience any negative consequences over this because they're so very far removed from the democratic process.

Most of the time, when "the EU" is doing something bad, it's actually the national governments wearing a different hat. The Parliament is pretty reasonable on the average, while the national policicians in the Council take advantage of the ignorance of the public. They can pursue their favorite policies without consequences, as the EU gets all the blame.

Also, don't forget the foreign propagandists who absolutely hate democracy, and have toppled both Britain and America.

That seems to always be "forgotten" about how the internet is acting as a accelerationist far right platform.

Re: EU to legislate about Chat Control behind closed doors

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Post by egorfine » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 4:26 PM UTC

cyanydeez wrote: post #82

Havoc wrote: post #58

The global push to kill privacy makes me sad. Feels like I grew up in a golden age and subsequent generations won't care because they never knew a different world

alright, but the important query is: this isn't happening in a vacuum, there's a lot of various forces. Lets say the primary force we need to prevent is russian influence campaigns that back and push far right nationalists who will destabilize democracy. Is that a sufficient reason for controls? It's always curious what people think about the actual content that's typically pushing these things.

> Is that a sufficient reason for controls?

no.