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Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by steelbrain »

righthand wrote: post #11
icapybara wrote: post #6

We need some way to address the low level crime in the US. If you look at cities in east Asia, they're both much larger than typical US cities and much safer. It -is- possible to have safe large cities. The fact that we don't is a choice.

US cities are plenty safe. The fact that you think otherwise is propaganda you’ve been successfully served. I live in Nyc and visit other cities often.

You must live in a different New York City than the one I visited. I had the safety calibration of Tallinn, Estonia and Dubai, UAE.

The subway was extremely hostile. People were regularly drugged out of their mind. I saw one guy try to drink a Coca Cola upside down and spilled it all in the bus. Another crazy chased my limited mobility Estonian friend who wanted to visit nyc alongside me when she went alone for groceries.

Could it be that your frame of reference is broken and/or you’re numb to it?

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by khuey »

epoxia wrote: post #12
icapybara wrote: post #6

We need some way to address the low level crime in the US. If you look at cities in east Asia, they're both much larger than typical US cities and much safer. It -is- possible to have safe large cities. The fact that we don't is a choice.

What's even more amazing is that they had these safe cities without [Flock, Motorola, Axon]. I guess we will never know how they did it, but at least we get the Chinese surveillance state.

My experience in major East Asian cities (predominantly Tokyo and Taipei) is that they have extensive networks of surveillance cameras operated by or accessible to the police.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by nailer »

righthand wrote: post #11
icapybara wrote: post #6

We need some way to address the low level crime in the US. If you look at cities in east Asia, they're both much larger than typical US cities and much safer. It -is- possible to have safe large cities. The fact that we don't is a choice.

US cities are plenty safe. The fact that you think otherwise is propaganda you’ve been successfully served. I live in Nyc and visit other cities often.

Really? I lived in Greenwich village until last year and I’d have people threaten to kill me for politely declining to give them change. I live in Park Slope now and there’s violent people on the F line all the time. Maybe wealthy neighbourhoods are super dangerous or maybe you’re just not noticing.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by naturalmovement »

righthand wrote: post #11
icapybara wrote: post #6

We need some way to address the low level crime in the US. If you look at cities in east Asia, they're both much larger than typical US cities and much safer. It -is- possible to have safe large cities. The fact that we don't is a choice.

US cities are plenty safe. The fact that you think otherwise is propaganda you’ve been successfully served. I live in Nyc and visit other cities often.

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Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by thisisnotauser »

icapybara wrote: post #6

We need some way to address the low level crime in the US. If you look at cities in east Asia, they're both much larger than typical US cities and much safer. It -is- possible to have safe large cities. The fact that we don't is a choice.

I've lived in major US cities my entire life and have never been a victim of crime. Do you have any facts to back up this seemingly outrageous claim?

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by dw_arthur »

icapybara wrote: post #6

We need some way to address the low level crime in the US. If you look at cities in east Asia, they're both much larger than typical US cities and much safer. It -is- possible to have safe large cities. The fact that we don't is a choice.

You're correct that it is a choice. Flock would barely move the needle on stopping crimes caused by the mentally ill and drug addicted.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by beau_g »

steelbrain wrote: post #21
righthand wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US cities are plenty safe. The fact that you think otherwise is propaganda you’ve been successfully served. I live in Nyc and visit other cities often.

You must live in a different New York City than the one I visited. I had the safety calibration of Tallinn, Estonia and Dubai, UAE. The subway was extremely hostile. People were regularly drugged out of their mind. I saw one guy try to drink a Coca Cola upside down and spilled it all in the bus. Another crazy chased my limited mobility Estonian friend who wanted to visit nyc alongside me when she went alone for groce…

You saw someone try to drink a soda upside down and spill it? We are going to need more than a Flock cam to stop that heinous act, perhaps a Flock robot arm that could grab the criminals arm and turn it right side up, or just restrain them while the authorities are on the way.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by nosioptar »

icapybara wrote: post #6

We need some way to address the low level crime in the US. If you look at cities in east Asia, they're both much larger than typical US cities and much safer. It -is- possible to have safe large cities. The fact that we don't is a choice.

My small city was safer before flock.

Before, if the cops asked for witnesses to come forward, they always got someone because they had a good reputation and were trusted.

A few years of the people saying no to flock and the cops and city hall ignoring us has destroyed that trust.

Now, when the cops ask for help, they get told to go flock themselves.

I'd suggest a better way is to reform policing. They need to start working for all the people, not just the Epstein class.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Post by derektank »

righthand wrote: post #11
icapybara wrote: post #6

We need some way to address the low level crime in the US. If you look at cities in east Asia, they're both much larger than typical US cities and much safer. It -is- possible to have safe large cities. The fact that we don't is a choice.

US cities are plenty safe. The fact that you think otherwise is propaganda you’ve been successfully served. I live in Nyc and visit other cities often.

NYC is quite safe compared to most US cities. It is still more dangerous than most major cities in the developed world.
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