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The KIDS Act would require age checks to get online

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Post by microgpt »

echelon wrote: post #55
dogcatdog wrote: post #50

That sounds like a reasonable aim. Online services should be responsible for implementing age verification checks on content that children shouldn't be accessing, just like vendors of alcohol and nicotine products are responsible for age verification. The EFF likes to frame everything that might even slightly rein in online service providers as being a terrible assault on online freedom and therefore, in their view,…

> vendors of alcohol and nicotine products are responsible for age verification. You don't wind up in a database for buying alcohol. This proposal puts your name right next to the category of porn you're into, which will be a great way to coerce all those politicians into voting for the "correct" bill. Would be a shame if they found out a state senator watched porn, so maybe they'd better vote yes on the proposal. In…

> You don't wind up in a database for buying alcohol.

Yes you do, if they scan your ID with any technology they're uploading a picture to that company's server. If you use a payment card then your bank and the card network also know.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

shevy-java wrote: post #75

So, the mafia now reveals its evil face. It wants to censor young people's way to access information, without conforming to an "age check". This is the first step, the next is to require of this of everyone else. This is the biggest attack on personal freedom since decades. It is time to crush those lobbyists that push for this. By the way, even ignoring the propaganda by the lobbyists here, at which point did the "d…

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Re: The KIDS Act would require age checks to get online

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Post by Zambyte »

microgpt wrote: post #106
Zambyte wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or we could have UBI and parents could parent their kids without corporations babysitting for them.

Wouldn't corporations still declare war on parents over their kids?

Parents would have a better chance at fighting back. Both with the time gained to communicate their disapproval, and a better relationship with their kids to be more likely to disapprove of it.

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Post by Hizonner »

microgpt wrote: post #80
Hizonner wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or you have a child who is questioning their sexual orientation or identity and is targeted by an online bullying ring. It is far more common for that child to be targeted by parents , and maybe by people they know in person, especially because of the lousy social environment their parents have pushed them into, and therefore to have limited offline support systems, and you are now trying to take away all they do h…

that much is true, but there are also online bullying rings. Note that this happens on social media but the opposite - information about being trans - is not only on social media.

There are a few online bullying rings. A few people get struck by lightning.

... and information isn't really the question. Not that there's actually any good definition for "social media".

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Post by throwawayffffas »

brettgo1 wrote: post #21
felooboolooomba wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meta has spent $2B lobbying for this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47410870

They're lobbying FOR it?! I thought this would hinder them along with everyone else

They are facing thousands of lawsuits related to teens and addiction because their harmful site is harmful.

Plus they are lobbying for it to be someone else's problem they are lobbying for device and OS based age verification.

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Post by viscountchocula »

dogcatdog wrote: post #50

That sounds like a reasonable aim. Online services should be responsible for implementing age verification checks on content that children shouldn't be accessing, just like vendors of alcohol and nicotine products are responsible for age verification. The EFF likes to frame everything that might even slightly rein in online service providers as being a terrible assault on online freedom and therefore, in their view,…

What content shouldn't children be accessing? Is the content a 7, 11 or 16 year old shouldn't access different between age brackets? Who makes that determination? Is this access restriction at the whole site level, or per-post? Does safe-harbor apply, or is a site-operator liable for age-inappropriate content it hosts for its clients? On S3, for example, is each object tagged with an age category, or would it have to be a totally separate S3, like GovCloud?

Re: The KIDS Act would require age checks to get online

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Post by microgpt »

dogcatdog wrote: post #67
echelon wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> vendors of alcohol and nicotine products are responsible for age verification. You don't wind up in a database for buying alcohol. This proposal puts your name right next to the category of porn you're into, which will be a great way to coerce all those politicians into voting for the "correct" bill. Would be a shame if they found out a state senator watched porn, so maybe they'd better vote yes on the proposal. In…

Age verification can be done by a third party, so that the online service isn't provided with any details of your identity, just that you passed an age verification check. But if you're still worried about online pornographers getting a copy of your identity, maybe don't use their websites? It's an easily avoidable risk. Perhaps use your imagination instead, or read an erotic novel bought in cash from a second-hand b…

That third party? Persona.

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Post by stackedinserter »

Avicebron wrote: post #2

Who wants this?

These people are around you.

Watch this "regulate 3d printers because of children" hearing: https://youtu.be/sue88CXzPcQ?t=2285

Normal people that call themselves good names like "moms for actions" drag us into this totalitarian hell.

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Post by microgpt »

gustavus wrote: post #54
dogcatdog wrote: post #50

That sounds like a reasonable aim. Online services should be responsible for implementing age verification checks on content that children shouldn't be accessing, just like vendors of alcohol and nicotine products are responsible for age verification. The EFF likes to frame everything that might even slightly rein in online service providers as being a terrible assault on online freedom and therefore, in their view,…

I hate this analogy because it isn't true. This isn't like a clerk checking your age before you buy booze this is like a clerk taking a photocopy of your ID and a list of everything you bought and then storing those records forever every time you buy alcohol.

they literally do that though. They don't all just look at your ID any more, some scan it with a scanner or phone and that literally does what you just said. Paying with a card also does it.
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