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The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Every time one watches a romantic scene in some film you know it's fake. Actors present a totally fake version of life. Every story has to be dramatised to get over the fact that it's largely boring to people who haven't lived it. We watch so many films that they probably give us an odd impression of what reality is, what's possible, what' likely. I know what it is to sit by my mother's bed with my brain burning itse…

Not only romantic scenes, but any emotion. We are watching actors, any emotion on display is some measure of fake depending on how good the actor is. That said, we all grew up watching movies, and one could argue their way of expressing emotions are imprinted onto us, so we all ‘emote’ as actors, and their emotional acting matches our true emotions. You could expand this argument to our sexual realms, and it explains…

Good actors do bring their own emotion in. (At least some do)

They might not feel anything about their acting partner, but they feel about other persons and bring that emotion into the play, to make it more real.

Similar to how the best lies are those that contain as much as truth as possible.

I know that I cannot watch anything with mechanical acting that is obviously fake (probably the majority of productions).

Speaking of it, Asteroid City is a very good movie that explores this theme.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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There are some really powerful things in Williams’s performance. You’re right about the nature of Hollywood—you work with what you got. But Hollywood also eats its own tail. Filmmakers grow up watching films, and they tend to draw from other films, the same way that LLMs just kinda rearrange pieces from ingested text (which is an oversimplification, bear with me). Like, there’s something special about The Lord of the…

> But Hollywood also eats its own tail. Filmmakers grow up watching films, and they tend to draw from other films, the same way that LLMs just kinda rearrange pieces from ingested text (which is an oversimplification, bear with me). But this is how culture works I think. It's not the act of copying or rearranging or borrowing but how the material is being processed and what drives the change I think.

Culture is also an expression of real-world concerns and values held by those who create it. AI-vangelists will say “all art is copied” over and over again to justify generating their slop, but no matter how many times you ask them, you’ll never get an answer to the question “What is a single great work of art that did not represent a single real-world value of its creator?”

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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It's a well-written monologue, with a fabulous delivery, but I think it fails spectacularly for this argument. From what I just looked into, neither of the main people involved, including Damon, Affleck, Williams, Van Sant, Reiner or Goldman, had personally experienced those scenarios of fighting on the front lines and having a friend die in their arms, or of losing their spouse to cancer. But nevertheless, they had…

You’re touching upon the very essence of being an actor, which is a form of shamanism of the human experience. All societies I know of developed actors and forms of theatre. Why? Because they are essential, I suspect.

Was?

Now it's all about profit, it seems. Theatre was about the self-reflection of humanity. Now... it's more about trucking or brains into giving attention to particular effects, tropes, and "cinematic universes" because that provides a tiny percent of the population with me money.

The locking up of culture with copyright probably makes this much worse.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Plato gave a better response with his allegory of the cave:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave

Any information an AI has access to has been extracted from text, which isn't all that different to shadows on a cave wall in the ways that matter.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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I think most posters are missing the point. They're over thinking the scene. Ai can never feel anything. Info isn't the same as knowledge, knowledge isn't the same as wisdom.

We humans are too complex to be answered by the infinite knowledge of Ai. IF we care about the possible harm it can be to humans, we can then properly deal with the use of Ai. It's a wonderful tool for some things, however, we tend to over do everything when it comes to tech. Humans matter, but can we trust corporations or governments to protect us from Ai?

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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A few years ago they couldn't do fingers properly Today they can't even understand the nuances of Robin Williams in Good Will Hunting. What won't they be able to do two years from now?

Just another couple of years and a few more trillion, and the whole world’s semiconductor and data output and it’ll be useful. Trust me bro.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Are you referring to this part? > Where did his performance come from? How did those moments take shape? Only the actor could tell you, and actually, he probably couldn't. It was sensed more than it was consciously considered, but the alchemy required his lived experiences That just seemed to me like a cop-out - what exactly is it about his lived experiences that made him well suited to effectively convey the experie…

Pretty sure Robin Williams did live the human experience.

But the whole argument in the monologue is that Will Hunting hasn't - that it's possible to have had some of "the human experience" but still be unqualified to talk about the parts you haven't.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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You’re touching upon the very essence of being an actor, which is a form of shamanism of the human experience. All societies I know of developed actors and forms of theatre. Why? Because they are essential, I suspect.

Was? Now it's all about profit, it seems. Theatre was about the self-reflection of humanity. Now... it's more about trucking or brains into giving attention to particular effects, tropes, and "cinematic universes" because that provides a tiny percent of the population with me money. The locking up of culture with copyright probably makes this much worse.

Nothing you described is unique to actors or artists. Every field in modern life has been infiltrated by those who cheapen the craft to line their pockets. As a consumer you have the agency to ignore slop.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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The reality is that the extremely large majority of people (especially in developed countries), have not experienced anything close to Robin William's character, nor do they have the slightest portion of Damon's character knowledge. So it's a weak argument against LLM.

But the extract is just an example for the author, whose thinking really boils down to "human have something that machine will never replace". It's fine if you believe in supernatural force, but otherwise, it's just another jest of human arrogance. That's not to say transformer architecture will be enough to completely outcompete humans, I have the honesty to say I don't know.

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