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Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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We have (had?) some ticks in our backyard and I came across these which I thought was a clever attack angle: tick tubes. Permethrin-soaked cotton balls in a tube, mice find them and build nests out of the freely available cotton, ticks that the mice have gathered while walking around die when they come back to the nest.

Then I am going to need some snakes to take care of the mice.

You should really get a mongoose to take care of the snakes after that. Highly recommended!

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

#122
post #17

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Ticks are a problem regardless. And they don’t like too much heat. So climate warming may even reduce their population in some parts. Or, more likely, move them up north. Giving relieve to some and headache to others… Lyme disease vaccine would help a ton though. I’ve had Lyme 3 times by now. Thankfully encephalitis stab is a thing.

They don’t like heat? That seems incorrect. If true, Then why are they a huge problem in TX and other southerly areas, and are only now spreading north?

The black-legged tick season in Ottawa is March through June and again September through November. Summer (deerfly season) is just too hot for them and they go to ground.

We do all the best camping in January and February. Why, you might ask, when it's usually colder than -20 C? No ticks. Also no mosquitos, blackflies, or deerflies but mostly no ticks.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

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We have dog ticks at 8000 feet in Colorado, not sure how much altitude affects them.

I think temperature is the relevant variable

I think the OP was thinking about northern europe. Less ticks far up north.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

#125
post #76

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They don’t like heat? That seems incorrect. If true, Then why are they a huge problem in TX and other southerly areas, and are only now spreading north?

I think it's that they need humidity or else they dry out. So hot and humid is fine. Hot and arid is what they have a problem with.

Ottawa summers are hot and very humid but the ticks disappear during that season.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

#126
post #17

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Ticks are a problem regardless. And they don’t like too much heat. So climate warming may even reduce their population in some parts. Or, more likely, move them up north. Giving relieve to some and headache to others… Lyme disease vaccine would help a ton though. I’ve had Lyme 3 times by now. Thankfully encephalitis stab is a thing.

So there's no natural immunity after having it once? How would a vaccine work then?

IIRC there's no immunity. Or at least it's gone after some time.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

#127
post #51

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So there's no natural immunity after having it once? How would a vaccine work then?

“Lyme” colloquially covers half a dozen to a dozen different bacterial infections.

"Lymne" refers to an infection by the spirochete Borrelia burgdorferi, a bacteria closely related to syphillis. There are plenty of other tick-borne diseases (including localized staph infections at bite sites that can lead to necrotizing fasciitis)

Just like with syphillis, there is a cheap and simple cure that is more effective than any known vaccine. If it's caught in time. Prevention is even cheaper.

The standard treatment for Lyme also just happens to be the standard treatment for many of the other tick-borne diseases, so you're still better-off taking a course of doxycycline after a tick byte than getting a vaccination against Lyme.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

#128
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ticks are a problem regardless. And they don’t like too much heat. So climate warming may even reduce their population in some parts. Or, more likely, move them up north. Giving relieve to some and headache to others… Lyme disease vaccine would help a ton though. I’ve had Lyme 3 times by now. Thankfully encephalitis stab is a thing.

> Ticks are a problem regardless. Ticks in my part of the world were never such a large problem. It was rare that you'd get one on your leg in the field behind our house, and now, you literally can't walk through the grass each year without having 10+ on your legs in a matter of minutes. Warmer and wetter weather and fewer hard winters. The presence of Lyme disease has also increased in them. I have direct experience…

In my whereabouts ticks were common 70+ years ago too. But nobody seemed to give a damn about them since disease-carrying ticks were not a problem. Talking to my grandma, it was common to have ticks in her youth. But now a massive chunk of them is lyme or encephalitis carrying. And suddenly it did become a problem ~ 20-30 years ago.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

#129
post #21

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AFAIK there was a Lyme disease vaccine, but was discontinued, probably because it wasn't effective enough, I don't remember the details.

Typically because it's rare enough that the cost/side-effect risk of the vaccine isn't judged to be worth it. Humans generally aren't vaccinated for Rabies either, unless you are e.g. a veterinarian who might have a higher chance of exposure to it.

Encephalitis is much more rare, but it's much worse than lyme. And there's a stab for it. Meanwhile Lyme is much more common, but much simplier to treat. Which is basically „take antibiotics or 3 to 21 days“ depending on how long it's been since the bite.

Re: Reducing tick density along recreational trails in Ottawa, Canada

#130
post #38

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So there's no natural immunity after having it once? How would a vaccine work then?

There are many strains. You will develop immunity to one strain, but not the others. I assume a vaccine would try to be multivalent.

Even for the specific strain, it's not long-lived and strong enough.
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