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What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

Netcob wrote: post #335
wpm wrote: post #21

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Why not? People take depression meds, blood pressure meds, all kinds of meds for their whole life. I'll be on omeprazole for reflux my whole life. It doesn't solve the underlying problem of my gut being prone to overpumping acid into my stomach. So omeprazole is problematic? The underlying issue is being treated, it's treated by taking the drug. It works. It's doing its job. I'd be curious as to how you came to this…

Because usually you can't study long-term effects before releasing a drug, and even then it can take a long time for them to surface. I took antihistamines basically throughout my 20s. My allergy specialist said there's no reason not to. I developed some other issues and wanted to stop taking antihistamines to see if that would help (or get a hint whether they were causing it) - but that got me into itching hell for…

Do you think going thru an allergy shot regime from an MD allergy Dr is a viable alternative to actually dealing with the undelying allegie(s)? Seems like the issue is unsettled last Inchecked

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by mattlondon »

faangguyindia wrote: post #331
mattlondon wrote: post #329

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> Maybe try to figure out why you’re feeling hungry. Is it because you’re running a 1000 kcal deficit? For me I always feel hungry. Always ready to eat more. Always. It doesn't seem to matter what I eat or how much, I have no "off switch" apart from maybe being asleep. I sit at big family meals like Christmas or thanks giving and people around me are all "man I am going to pop if I have another bite" and yet I am sti…

If you've done all and sustainable dieting and workout has not done it for you, then i feel you maybe valid candidate for this drug. But i am refusing to believe average guy who is probably overweight by 22lb needs this drug.

This is not so much about being overweight (although I admit I am) it is about the constant overriding urge to eat eat eat eat eat all day every day. The constant feeling of wanting to eat, when I am going to eat next, what can I eat, what and where am I going to eat for my next meal, man oh man it would be nice to eat something with that next mouthful of coffee, I can go eat something as soon as this meeting is over, then I can eat again after that, then I can eat eat eat eat eat, then it's lunch, what am I going to eat for lunch? after lunch I have a meeting then i'll eat some more before another coffee when I can get some more to eat. Eat eat eat eat. Did anyone say snack? Eat. More. Eat eat eat eat eat.

It's totally overwhelming and often hard to concentrate with this constant overriding urge to think about eating all the time. It's like gravity, inescapably pulling me in.

People say "Oh I forgot to have lunch!" and it simply does not compute for me. How can someone forget?! Having lunch is my overriding constant nagging thought since having that last mouthful of breakfast. It only stops when I get to start thinking about eating dinner as soon as I have stopped eating lunch. Repeat. Every moment of every day. Eat. Eat. Eat.

It's a like a stuck record or whatever. Over and over. I want to turn it off.

I'd get it if I was solely existing on a diet of junk food that is designed to do this, but I am not. Since I've been tracking every last gramme of food I've been eating on and off for well over a decade I can tell you that it is very much "healthy" and low in processed and/or junk foods. I just never feel full and want to eat more.

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by rnewme »

grey-area wrote: post #323
rnewme wrote: post #234

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Do you know what food noise is?

The latest fad promoted by companies to sell you something?

Eating disorders are mental health condition. Just because there are a lot of visible "false" cases, it doesn't mean that someone else is not living it for real. Your comment is insensitive

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by chiply314 »

faangguyindia wrote: post #352
solumunus wrote: post #290

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Specifically for me it makes junk food unpleasant. My diet is now impeccable. I hardly ever have a takeaway and if I do it needs to be something that is not greasy and is good clean food. I also find drinking alcohol much less pleasant. I still drink sometimes but after a few beers or glasses of wine it starts to become very unappealing and I stop. I do bodybuilding and I’m still getting my 150g of protein in. I’m ba…

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WOW good for you! Man if everyone would just be like you. That would mean no one would need something like GLPs eh?

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by chiply314 »

Illotus wrote: post #359
chiply314 wrote: post #354

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Some don't get at all what calories are. In some video a woman was eating 8-10 Oranges a day just as a snack on the side. No knowledge about sugar or calroies, just the thought "but its a fruit its health". No fruits are not healthy

8 to 10 oranges per day being healthy or not is largely dependent what else you eat. Biggest issue there is likely teeth decay due to acidity.

No its not. 8-10 Oranges is too much sugar. Too much sugar hurts your insulin reaction and can bring diabetes.

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by rnewme »

sublinear wrote: post #298
rnewme wrote: post #234

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Do you know what food noise is?

Yes. I'm saying that it goes away when you fix your diet. Do you know what nutrients are? Deficiencies are the cause of the noise. This is an evolutionary feature, not a bug. Your body is expecting you to keep eating alternatives until you eventually stumble onto the foods that make you feel better and then keep eating those. In severe cases you might need more patience with the right foods, but if you already feel l…

My wife saw many doctors. For her the food noise is related to PCOS and insuline resistance. Ozempic helped until it didn't. You are being callous even with your disclaimer.

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Post by babuskov »

mycall wrote: post #265
ceejayoz wrote: post #152

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What if you could intentionally eat good food? I've heard it widely described as reducing mental noise around food.

People can get fat by eating too much healthy food.

That's the problem with the definition of "healthy". No single food is "healthy" on it's own. It's a wrong way to look at it and why most people fail at finding a good diet. There's no super food you can just eat unlimited amounts of.

A diet can be healthy if it's the nutrient combination of different foods that result in certain number of calories, protein, fat, carbs, minerals and vitamins per unit of time.

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by faangguyindia »

tsimionescu wrote: post #353
faangguyindia wrote: post #350

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Never had this issue tbh, I maintain 12% bodyfat year around and cannot relate to people who just eat when there is no need to eat.

Yes, that is what many of us are trying to tell you: you are just not suffering from the kind of food obsession that some of us experience (whether that is caused by mental issues, metabolic, environmental, whatever it might be). And the vast majority of significantly overweight and obese people have exactly this problem. This is similar to how most people drink alcohol occasionally, maybe sometimes get drunk at a pa…

I posted this elsewhere too but i'll add it here:

I've helped many people lose weight, become jacked, and go from underweight to a healthy weight. I regularly hear from overweight and obese people who come to me, “I’m genetically predisposed to being fat.” Yet after a few months, we often make significant progress.

Many of them have also tried “deficit dieting,” and it didn’t work for them. But when I looked more deeply into their methods, I found they had calculated their maintenance calories incorrectly.

They were running huge, unsustainable deficits. They weren’t doing any Zone 2 cardio, which is an easy way to boost maintenance calories, and most of them were largely sedentary.

Many times, their diet consisted mostly of packaged, processed foods, and they weren’t eating enough protein or healthy fats or vegetables.

Simply fixing these issues led to major transformations. I’ve yet to come across someone who is truly resistant to these changes.

I do not doubt existence of people who simply cannot sustain even a small deficit or people who have no control over their diet but i've among 1000s of people i worked on i never found even 1 such person.

I keep an open mind maybe i'll eventually find such person, so far i've not.

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by relaxing »

declan_roberts wrote: post #180
OptionOfT wrote: post #36

My insurance stopped covering, now I'm looking at $450 for Zepbound / month. Just the weight coming back is making me more depressed...

Gray market peptides are excellent. You can do you own independent lab testing, buy with a group who's testing, or buy from a reputable vendor who pre-tests before sales. Even after all that it comes down to like $50 a month at the highest dose.

Where do you even start finding sources for all this?

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by frgturpwd »

htk wrote: post #150
wpm wrote: post #21

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Why not? People take depression meds, blood pressure meds, all kinds of meds for their whole life. I'll be on omeprazole for reflux my whole life. It doesn't solve the underlying problem of my gut being prone to overpumping acid into my stomach. So omeprazole is problematic? The underlying issue is being treated, it's treated by taking the drug. It works. It's doing its job. I'd be curious as to how you came to this…

No, the symptom is being treated, not the underlying issue. And that's ok, but treating the underlying issue, when possible, is better, as the problem ceases to exist.

And what's the underlying issue, exactly?
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