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What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by faangguyindia »

PotatoPrime wrote: post #334
faangguyindia wrote: post #255

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when someone says something doesn't work, is it condescending to ask them what exactly they did?

If you're asking genuinely, yes it can be condescending to persist in asking for 'exactly' what they've done, especially when the discussion isn't focused on their diet or their success and failure. People tend to not want advice when they're not seeking it, and when someone wants to dissect every detail of what they've done that hasn't worked, when they mentioned it merely as an anecdote, it tends to be perceived as…

I'll keep on asking exact things you've done as long as you keep claiming something doesn't work, when I know it does and have worked for many.

About advise part, I am not looking to offer him any advise I am simply defending the method and ideas, so that other people can find success with it similar to what I've done for me and for many others.

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Post by faangguyindia »

solumunus wrote: post #290
faangguyindia wrote: post #139

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>my body and mind are no longer is in starvation mode What does it mean? If a drug reduces your desire to eat food, wouldn't it also decrease your desire to eat food beneficial for your body? I think the effect most people want is to stop craving junk food but still eat nutritious food required for muscle growth and health.

Specifically for me it makes junk food unpleasant. My diet is now impeccable. I hardly ever have a takeaway and if I do it needs to be something that is not greasy and is good clean food. I also find drinking alcohol much less pleasant. I still drink sometimes but after a few beers or glasses of wine it starts to become very unappealing and I stop. I do bodybuilding and I’m still getting my 150g of protein in. I’m ba…

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Post by tsimionescu »

faangguyindia wrote: post #350
tsimionescu wrote: post #337

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Because you're feeling peckish. Because you hadn't had a good burger in a while. Because you saw a good looking pizza on TV and you can't order less than a full pizza. Because your mother made this good lasagna and would feel offended if you didn't eat a portion because you'd already eaten earlier. Because you're sadand tired and just don't want to also feel hungry, and eating a pack of oreos dipped in nutella is mor…

Never had this issue tbh, I maintain 12% bodyfat year around and cannot relate to people who just eat when there is no need to eat.

Yes, that is what many of us are trying to tell you: you are just not suffering from the kind of food obsession that some of us experience (whether that is caused by mental issues, metabolic, environmental, whatever it might be). And the vast majority of significantly overweight and obese people have exactly this problem.

This is similar to how most people drink alcohol occasionally, maybe sometimes get drunk at a party and even enjoy it, would even be unhappy to have to significantly reduce their alcohol consumption (e.g. when taking some medication) - and yet have nothing similar to alcoholism, might go weeks without drinking without even noticing, and would never even consider having a drink before work.

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Post by chiply314 »

faangguyindia wrote: post #275
mycall wrote: post #265

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People can get fat by eating too much healthy food.

true but you'll struggle getting tons of calories out of whole foods. This is why mass gainers are popular, underweight people find it hard to gain weight so they dirty bulking using fast food which is often calorie dense. Eating healthy food alone isn't solution, you need to make your life active as well.

Some don't get at all what calories are.

In some video a woman was eating 8-10 Oranges a day just as a snack on the side.

No knowledge about sugar or calroies, just the thought "but its a fruit its health". No fruits are not healthy

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Post by faangguyindia »

tsimionescu wrote: post #336
faangguyindia wrote: post #253

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>The unbelievably low success rate of diet and exercise programs for long-term weight reduction is widely documented and quite consistent with the earlier poster's experience. where is your data from? what protocol did they follow?

Please suggest some studies that show high success rates in curing obesity long term (say, at least 5 years). If you seem to be so incredulous that this is a real problem, I assume you are basing this on some studies that did find it's doable, and we're just being ignorant.

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Post by 7bit »

chiply314 wrote: post #354
faangguyindia wrote: post #275

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true but you'll struggle getting tons of calories out of whole foods. This is why mass gainers are popular, underweight people find it hard to gain weight so they dirty bulking using fast food which is often calorie dense. Eating healthy food alone isn't solution, you need to make your life active as well.

Some don't get at all what calories are. In some video a woman was eating 8-10 Oranges a day just as a snack on the side. No knowledge about sugar or calroies, just the thought "but its a fruit its health". No fruits are not healthy

Your first sent once and your last sentence don't align.

Yes. Fruits are healthy. One orange is healthy. 10 oranges are unhealthy. Same concept applies to water. Drinking too much can be unhealthy as well, but that doesn't change the fact that water is good.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

faangguyindia wrote: post #139
dirtbagskier wrote: post #2

I'd take them even if they didn't make me lose weight - and I'm the type of person that doesn't like takeing Tylenol unless absolutely necessary. The best way I can describe it: my body and mind are no longer is in starvation mode. I plan, do, act and sleep well.

>my body and mind are no longer is in starvation mode What does it mean? If a drug reduces your desire to eat food, wouldn't it also decrease your desire to eat food beneficial for your body? I think the effect most people want is to stop craving junk food but still eat nutritious food required for muscle growth and health.

You lose your appetite but can still shove things in your pie hole. You just have to make an effort to shove vegetables and protein in, rather than making an effort resist eating junk food.

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Post by crooked-v »

hack1312 wrote: post #266
ajross wrote: post #259

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> What’s more sustainable, changing your lifestyle to maintain the weight you lost, or being beholden to taking a drug to maintain that same lifestyle change for a hope at maintenance? That's some pretty... charged language. But even so: the drug, clearly. People take drugs reliably as a matter of empirical fact. People likewise emphatically don't "change their lifestyles" as a general rule. If they did we wouldn't b…

It’s reality. People take drugs if they can afford them; will GLP-1’s be available dirt-cheap to the masses or limited to those fortunate enough to have health insurance.

They're incredibly cheap to manufacture. Everyone and their dog will be able to afford an infinite supply the second the patents expire, and black market supply is already cheap even with the extra overhead of it being illegal and impossible to market properly.

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Post by Illotus »

chiply314 wrote: post #354
faangguyindia wrote: post #275

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true but you'll struggle getting tons of calories out of whole foods. This is why mass gainers are popular, underweight people find it hard to gain weight so they dirty bulking using fast food which is often calorie dense. Eating healthy food alone isn't solution, you need to make your life active as well.

Some don't get at all what calories are. In some video a woman was eating 8-10 Oranges a day just as a snack on the side. No knowledge about sugar or calroies, just the thought "but its a fruit its health". No fruits are not healthy

8 to 10 oranges per day being healthy or not is largely dependent what else you eat. Biggest issue there is likely teeth decay due to acidity.

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by crooked-v »

faangguyindia wrote: post #169
crooked-v wrote: post #166

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Being aware that there are deceptively calorie-dense foods doesn't help the basic equation there. Anecdotes are not data, but my anecdotal experience is that if I ate nothing but bulk vegetables whenever my hindbrain wanted food, I would still be eating over my maintenance calories every day.

What's your maintenance calories and how did you calculate it? Most people calculate it wrong.

It's about 1800 KCal, give or take, on a day of sedentary office work. I'm deeply familiar with it after years of calorie tracking. My grocery shopping and meals, most cooked from scratch on a daily basis, are designed around it to keep at a stable weight.

If what you actually mean to say is "you're wrong, there's no way you could eat like that", the response is "give me nothing but heads of lettuce with salt and pepper, and there are days when I could still continue eating them the entire day whenever my stomach isn't literally full".

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