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Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by Forgeties79 »

tudelo wrote: post #396
plaguuuuuu wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI mandate is one of the best things that's happened to me. It's the easiest metric to game in the world. At one point my boss asked why my AI usage was lower than other team members. I instantly knew what to do. Every session is now run at ultracode effort. My automated PR review bot averages like $80 in usage per PR review.

It is extremely easy to burn tokens if that is required. Explore this codebase. Team x wants y feature, research and generate a full plan. What does feature x in codebase y actually mean? Analyze code coverage in x. Map out code flow and find concurrency bugs in y and on and on... Oh and my favorite: Use 5 independent subagents to review code change and summarize the findings, and for any finding determine if they ar…

Afterwards, give me 5 separate documents with 10 plans each for how to implement this. Triple check your work, make no mistakes. Then give me 3 distinct executive summaries emphasizing different areas.

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Post by Terr_ »

tasuki wrote: post #394
tiew9Vii wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dystopian future where no one owns cars is already being laid. Cars are more and more becoming white goods appliances with the driving experience becoming less and less a priority. Even enthusiast cars now are about raw numbers and need electronics to reign them in to make useable for the average driver on the average road. The average user probably doesn’t even want to drive and have AI do it for them. Repairabi…

> The dystopian future where no one owns cars is already being laid. Pardon me? We're living in the dystopian present, where most everyone has a car or several. Cities are crowded with cars -- both moving and parked -- and it's awful for humans who aren't cars. I can't wait for the moment people switch to a subscription and the cars are shared and drive themselves. The streets will be just as full of moving cars, but…

I think you've misread the parent poster.

* Their "not owning" means a swap to a subscription/license for the car, which could still be exclusive rather than shared.

* Your "not owning" assumes a reduction in the number of cars per capita.

In other words, the "dystopia" they are referring to is one that still has today's problems of gridlock, land use, urban planning, etc., with new kinds of problems layered on. Cars not being user-repairable, being nickel-and-dimed on features, a monopolistic used-parts market, and a general shift towards whatever boosts the car-manufacturer's profit margin.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by Forgeties79 »

tgv wrote: post #403
plaguuuuuu wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI mandate is one of the best things that's happened to me. It's the easiest metric to game in the world. At one point my boss asked why my AI usage was lower than other team members. I instantly knew what to do. Every session is now run at ultracode effort. My automated PR review bot averages like $80 in usage per PR review.

That's corporate eco-terrorism. How did we sink so low?

If your manager is asking you why you aren’t hammering 500 nails a day with your company hammer under threat of replacement, you’re going stop worrying about the surfaces your driving nails in to and simply start swinging.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

rwmj wrote: post #417
plaguuuuuu wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI mandate is one of the best things that's happened to me. It's the easiest metric to game in the world. At one point my boss asked why my AI usage was lower than other team members. I instantly knew what to do. Every session is now run at ultracode effort. My automated PR review bot averages like $80 in usage per PR review.

It's also the easiest way to determine if your management has AI psychosis or not, and make corresponding decisions about whether to stay with the company.

No one is leaving their job because their manager is too obsessed with AI. Especially not in this economy/job market.

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Post by vickychijwani »

Grimblewald wrote: post #425
murphomatic wrote: post #341

Get ready for this to become a common theme. Boardrooms are still engaged in the fever-dream promise that AI will solve all their problems, particularly those involving pesky humans. The simple lesson of "AI is another tool" will be a hard-learned one. Some industries, such as software, will take more time to mop themselves into a corner before they discover that velocity should never be a first-class concern. Speed…

Velocity implies direction, AI is just speed sans direction, AI only workflows are just really fast brownian motion centred on training corpus mean for a task. Humans can give it direction, how good that direction is depends on human expertise. We still need the humans, there are no cases for novel useful work I can think of, or have seen, where humans are no longer required.

I like the analogy with brownian motion, thanks for sharing that

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Post by jasonkester »

I’ve had this happen a few times in the past, back when you’d fire your expensive people and replace them with cheap human labour instead of AI, so I have a word of advice.

Be sure to have “updated your rate schedule” recently, which explains why you’re now twice as expensive as before.

They know how bad they screwed up and how bad they need you now. I’ve never had anybody refuse a giant rate bump now that we were all on the same page.

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Post by chrisjj »

WarmWash wrote: post #136

Ford has hired 350 engineers over the last 3 years which happened alongside short comings in using AI inspection tooling. This has nothing to do with LLMs and instead is almost certainly about their MAIVIS and AiTriz pilots, which use old school CNNs on custom IBM hardware to do visual inspections.

> This has nothing to do with LLMs and instead is almost certainly about their MAIVIS and AiTriz pilots

Where does this article say otherwise?

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Post by Rexxar »

murphomatic wrote: post #341

Get ready for this to become a common theme. Boardrooms are still engaged in the fever-dream promise that AI will solve all their problems, particularly those involving pesky humans. The simple lesson of "AI is another tool" will be a hard-learned one. Some industries, such as software, will take more time to mop themselves into a corner before they discover that velocity should never be a first-class concern. Speed…

> velocity should never be a first-class concern

Some people have not learned that velocity at small scale without global synchronisation is just thermal agitation.

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Post by VBprogrammer »

mpyne wrote: post #375
rebuilder wrote: post #371

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To the boardroom class, employees are tools as well.

No doubt, but the issue I think they keep running into is they don't understand how useful those "human tools" are, so they keep trying to replace the functions humans provide with AI, without realizing all the other functions that the humans also provided.

My partner had booked a table for lunch for us and our friends. Six adults and six children. One of the couples had forgotten a party earlier that morning, so we tried to move the booking a couple of hours later.

Unfortunately the only phone line was answered by an AI bot who stubbornly refused to move the booking, simply telling us there was no availability within an hour of our booking.

Fortunately my partner was passing so was able to go in and speak to someone is person who was happy to move our booking back 2 hours. Lunch and drinks for our party must have come to several hundred pounds.

I'd estimate our party was between a third or maybe half of all the customers there. Had we chosen to book elsewhere I bet someone would still be patting themselves on the back about how clever they were to save a few minutes a day on actually answering the phone to actual customers.

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