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IP Crawl: Living atlas of open webcams discovered on the public internet

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Post by kube-system »

dotancohen wrote: post #58
mmooss wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is to make sharing secure, easy, and with informed consent. The answer is not to impose IP addresses, NAT routing, keys, etc. so that only technical people can give their consent.

How _does_ it work then, without imposing IP addresses, NAT routing, keys, etc?

The way that Nest/Wyze/Ring/etc all universally do it. They provide an service to intermediate and enforce access controls.

If you give laypeople a DIY project outside of their expertise, you can expect failures.

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Post by 3abiton »

QuantumNomad_ wrote: post #30

Hehe, this one has a feeding tray with a novelty sign on it: > Baiting deer is illegal! > This corn pile is intended for squirrels, chipmunks, and other such critters. > Any deer found eating this corn will be shot! https://ipcrawl.com/fun/c/373ef0178c5281a5

No wonder why deers are seen as snobbish. All the illiterate ones were shot.

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

naturalmovement wrote: post #70

Everyone: For a moment forget everything you know about computers and wonder if perhaps 99% of normies are just following the directions on the package of their $19 Chinese IP camera. They have no idea what a firewall is, or what the "public internet" even means. There's also a difference between your neighbor not closing her blinds and you using a telescope to look inside her apartment, which is what sites like this…

$19 Chinese IP cameras? Try $800 dashcams. Blackview dashcams by default join the company’s public webcam feed which is viewable inside their app.

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Post by naturalmovement »

petra wrote: post #150
Aurornis wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and wonder if perhaps 99% of normies are just following the directions on the package of their $19 Chinese IP camera. I doubt that the instructions for a cheap camera have enough information to walk a non-technical user through the process of setting up port forwarding on their specific router. I could believe that it’s automatic port forwarding via UPnP for some of these cameras. However a lot of them are from con…

Setting port forwarding is the wrong ux for this. It should be something simple like: -everything is encrypted - at install I tap my phone on the camera, now my Google account(or something similar) is linked to it as admin. - on that some simple key management architecture should be built

Cool.

The Chinese DVR the CCTV installer used doesn't work that way.

In fact it probably has a telnet server with a known, hardcoded root password.

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Post by hdgvhicv »

wolvoleo wrote: post #145
fc417fc802 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless that camera uses UPnP and has no auth configured by default.

Or admin/1234 which is about 90% of them

You’re saying f the camera will talk to the firewall using a username and password and open a hole/port forward?

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Post by throw310822 »

mlcrypto wrote: post #144
fc417fc802 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't confuse the creators and maintainers with people who click on a link out of curiosity. I also briefly "walked by the window" glancing at cats using automated feeders in china when someone posted that page to HN recently. I'm surprised this is still a thing though. I remember being shocked when I came across an extensive feed of these inadvertently pubic CCTV feeds ~15 years ago. I had assumed it was no longer a…

I thought it was common knowledge you should physically cover any camera even if you believe they are secure

Do you physically cover the multiple cameras of your smartphone all the times you're not using them?

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Post by throw310822 »

My_Name wrote: post #106
throw310822 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok. The original commenter said: > "Many of these cameras are in private spaces" To which the gp answered > It's not private if it has a ip cam in it So what? Either he meant to contradict the op (and then it's correct to push back), or this is an entirely superfluous comment given they both understand what the problem is.

A space can be considered private by the occupant, but the addition of an IP camera makes it not private. They are not contradictory statements.

This is both completely wrong from a concrete standpoint (if I put an ip camera in your home broadcasting without your knowledge, your home doesn't become magically "a public space"- you still have a full right to privacy); and completely trivial from a literal standpoint (if everyone can see you then you are in public, hey no shit Sherlock).

Which makes me think that people proposing such view are not, in fact, trying to communicate its (obviously wrong or entirely trivial, depending on the interpretation) content; they're trying to say "hey look at me, how tech savvy I am, I'm so in it that for me an open port is, like, a window open on the village square yeah".

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Post by Symbiote »

naturalmovement wrote: post #155
petra wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Setting port forwarding is the wrong ux for this. It should be something simple like: -everything is encrypted - at install I tap my phone on the camera, now my Google account(or something similar) is linked to it as admin. - on that some simple key management architecture should be built

Cool. The Chinese DVR the CCTV installer used doesn't work that way. In fact it probably has a telnet server with a known, hardcoded root password.

It ought to be that reputable retailers in western countries refuse to sell this junk, instead only selling ones they consider secure. Just like they won't sell dangerous toys.

But probably most of these cameras are bought through Amazon, AliExpress or Temu.

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