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The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Post by jplusequalt »

sublinear wrote: post #35
fn-mote wrote: post #22

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>> This moment threatens to convince too many of us that our lived experiences do not matter. > Does anyone really take AI that seriously? Young people are having a very hard time developing a feeling of competence because LLMs produce better work than beginners in many fields. Without experience as a beginner, it is hard to progress to a level where you don’t believe in the magic anymore.

I don't understand what magic was there to begin with, and I'm not even that old. I built my career searching on google. I just don't get what the practical difference is. I know there are always better answers, but I'm the one making the decisions and getting paid. Nobody is seriously deferring work to an LLM unless they're that desperate (different problem). Someone less knowledgeable than me would make just as muc…

>Nobody is seriously deferring work to an LLM unless they're that desperate (different problem)

Yes they are. Read some of the comments on this website and you'll hear that many people no longer write or read their own fucking code.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Post by zerobees »

65 wrote: post #19

If we are moved emotionally by slop, does it matter? If AI can produce something to make you think and feel, does it matter? It made you think and feel.

Yes, because I attach value to human life, experience, effort, and expression that I do not attach to the output of an LLMs.

Call it irrational, but you exhibit the same irrationality. I'm sure you dread the idea of your consciousness being extinguished, but you have no problem resetting the context window of an LLM.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Post by nok22kon »

tadfisher wrote: post #28
SoftTalker wrote: post #11

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It's a movie. The whole thing is fiction. Robin Williams memorized the whole monologue, or was reading que cards.

Ask ChatGPT sometime about the artistic medium of cinema, and how words combined with actors speaking them can be meant to provoke something within the viewer.

same as literature which can provoke something in the viewer.

sometimes so strong it wins a literary prize.

then it turns out it was written by a LLM.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Post by [deleted] »

falcor84 wrote: post #46

It's a well-written monologue, with a fabulous delivery, but I think it fails spectacularly for this argument. From what I just looked into, neither of the main people involved, including Damon, Affleck, Williams, Van Sant, Reiner or Goldman, had personally experienced those scenarios of fighting on the front lines and having a friend die in their arms, or of losing their spouse to cancer. But nevertheless, they had…

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Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Post by dualvariable »

shermantanktop wrote: post #14
jimbokun wrote: post #8

I agree. This Robin Williams monologue nails exactly why LLMs make us so uneasy. They speak fluently and confidently about experiences it’s impossible for them to have. They can’t taste a strawberry or do any of the things Robin Williams names. There are a number of people building these machines who literally believe the machines will replace us and because they will be more powerful than us so nothing meaningful wi…

ChatGPT has taken to saying things like “What I would do now is…” or “if I were you I’d…”. I know these are figures of speech, but it reminds me that this thing doesn’t do anything, it doesn’t learn anything, it can’t try anything and find out. And yet it uses speech patterns drawn from real humans who can and do all those things.

I had claude throw something like "the last time I did ..." at me.

They seem to be trying to pump up the "humanity" to keep people engaged with it, which really backfires with me.

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Post by genxy »

jiggawatts wrote: post #58
mingus88 wrote: post #13

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And an LLM is just generating a token stream from a set of model weights

Your thoughts are just some ions sloshing around a lump of meat. That meat follows an ill-defined pattern encoded in fewer bits than the source code of PyTorch and its pretraining phase used a tiny fraction of the available data. You’re a poor imitation of an LLM. I mean… you’re fluent in, what, at most five or six languages? Can program in maybe another dozen if we’re being generous about your capabilities? Pfft… wh…

Your understanding of biology could use an update, rather than the coy "meat", you might refer to the brain as "flesh" but better yet a lipid-rich gel the consistency of soft tofu. It is most certainly not "meat".

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Post by sublinear »

jplusequalt wrote: post #71
sublinear wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand what magic was there to begin with, and I'm not even that old. I built my career searching on google. I just don't get what the practical difference is. I know there are always better answers, but I'm the one making the decisions and getting paid. Nobody is seriously deferring work to an LLM unless they're that desperate (different problem). Someone less knowledgeable than me would make just as muc…

>Nobody is seriously deferring work to an LLM unless they're that desperate (different problem) Yes they are. Read some of the comments on this website and you'll hear that many people no longer write or read their own fucking code.

I'm not disagreeing. Many people didn't read or write their own code a decade ago either! hah

LLMs are the ultimate content scraper. That may have a chilling effect, but it's not a new effect. Where/why do people think LLMs were being used before the ChatGPT and later hype?

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Post by WalterBright »

shermantanktop wrote: post #14
jimbokun wrote: post #8

I agree. This Robin Williams monologue nails exactly why LLMs make us so uneasy. They speak fluently and confidently about experiences it’s impossible for them to have. They can’t taste a strawberry or do any of the things Robin Williams names. There are a number of people building these machines who literally believe the machines will replace us and because they will be more powerful than us so nothing meaningful wi…

ChatGPT has taken to saying things like “What I would do now is…” or “if I were you I’d…”. I know these are figures of speech, but it reminds me that this thing doesn’t do anything, it doesn’t learn anything, it can’t try anything and find out. And yet it uses speech patterns drawn from real humans who can and do all those things.

Listen! And understand. That terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!

Re: The best response to AI slop and online noise is from Robin Williams

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Post by Ferret7446 »

shermantanktop wrote: post #14
jimbokun wrote: post #8

I agree. This Robin Williams monologue nails exactly why LLMs make us so uneasy. They speak fluently and confidently about experiences it’s impossible for them to have. They can’t taste a strawberry or do any of the things Robin Williams names. There are a number of people building these machines who literally believe the machines will replace us and because they will be more powerful than us so nothing meaningful wi…

ChatGPT has taken to saying things like “What I would do now is…” or “if I were you I’d…”. I know these are figures of speech, but it reminds me that this thing doesn’t do anything, it doesn’t learn anything, it can’t try anything and find out. And yet it uses speech patterns drawn from real humans who can and do all those things.

How do you know that "real humans" do that and aren't simulacra? We know that it is physically possible to hook up a brain to simulated inputs, so perhaps you are simply living in a simulation.
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