Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would these be independent?
More specifically, political lobotomy shouldn’t affect coding ability.
Yet empirically it does
Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models
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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models
#92I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly crea…
I tested Fable through Cursor; asked for ideas on how to make a data website I have less "Claude-like" (IYKYK what are the usual tells), and it spun out the most useless, Claude-like CSS styling ever, wasting $40 in 10 minutes.
The website was created through Opus, so you could also say the results were worse than Opus. (This is just to say that I had the same experience using the US models, so perhaps those Asian models are Mythos-like lol)
Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would these be independent?
More specifically, political lobotomy shouldn’t affect coding ability.
You’d be quite surprised, I think. Fine tuning a model on one axis can have drastic impacts on another that as a human we would expect to be completely unrelated.
Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models
#94They have an impressive set of investors [1]. Also, HN Headline [2] from the other day with 100+ comments. 1. https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48624782
Has either of these companies released models before this? It's hard to believe that they could release a supposed Mythos-level model just out-of-the-blue. Deepseek, Z.ai, Alibaba/Qwen have been at this for a lot longer and have been releasing models with steadily increasing capabilities for about 18 months now. I find it hard to believe that these new companies would just suddenly release a Mythos-level model without releasing anything prior.
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#95I'm expecting a ban of "foreign" llms due to "safety concerns" before the year is over.
It will have nothing to do with the actual performance. But anthropic has set the bar for mythos-like systems, and whatever meets that loosely defined bar will be unsafe for the public.
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I suspect that Grok has been ironically lobotomized by pressures to correct its political views. Similarly, I could imagine the Gemini folks working in a significantly more complex corporate climate, with different parts of Google pushing for different capability focuses. They are only lagging behind less than a year, so it isn't too large of a gap yet. That said, the fact that Anthropic is currently the top dog sugg…
That shouldn’t affect Grok’ coding ability. How often are people discussing politics with Claude code? Writing decent code is just hard and it’s not just Grok.
Not true, aggressive post training makes models notably dumber.
Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models
#97So now as a regular American we are behind because gatekeepers saying super intelligence is too scary It was bound to happen soon.
SOTA AI is the only place where we are ahead. china has us beat on manufacturing, logistics and workhorse grade models like deepseek pro and glm5.2. we're increasingly irrelevant
they are also generating >2x the amount of electricity, core to ai, robots, and manufacturing
Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models
#98The "Mythos-like" talk is getting kinda annoying. Us normal people have no way to compare it outside of looking at benchmarks
Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models
#99I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly crea…
Same experience with web search / research, it was bad compared to opus.
Missed half the stuff the other half was outdated/ didn't verify.