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The case for physical media ownership

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Re: The case for physical media ownership

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Post by wilg »

joquarky wrote: post #191
wilg wrote: post #158

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Yes, of course it's easier to pirate it. The problem is that its unethical (and illegal). That you find it inconvenient to pay for things you want is not a valid justification.

Your values are outdated and impractical. You've obviously stalled at the "law and order" phase of moral development which enables the parasites who are abusing copyright law in order to extract every cent from us.

I don't think the idea of "paying creators for things I want" is outdated or impractical. Law and order is the foundation of civilization, and just because some dumb companies charge more than you want does not mean you are righteous for breaking the social contract.

Re: The case for physical media ownership

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Post by wilg »

qweqwe14 wrote: post #186
wilg wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, of course it's easier to pirate it. The problem is that its unethical (and illegal). That you find it inconvenient to pay for things you want is not a valid justification.

> The problem There is no problem, just pirate it. > its unethical (and illegal) I guess I'll just keep doing it then, and someone else can keep crying about it on orange computer reddit website

If the best you got is "you can't stop me", that's true, but not really very relevant to what is good and right.

Re: The case for physical media ownership

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Post by wilg »

athrowaway3z wrote: post #208
wilg wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, of course it's easier to pirate it. The problem is that its unethical (and illegal). That you find it inconvenient to pay for things you want is not a valid justification.

I really hate the ethnical argument because It's so much weaker than people who use it imagine it to be. As a very flattened retelling of history, it was only with the boomers that we reached the tipping point on how people started to think about copyright (Copyright != Attributed Authorship). With them, a majority started to believe in a world where the human history they consumed was a gift from the past, and that…

This is word salad. People are making things that you want so they can make a living and you can have something you want. This is a win-win. The only problem is you have to pay for things which people only offer in exchange for money. You can cheat them, but it's not cool to pretend you're doing it for some big amorphous moral fight.

Re: The case for physical media ownership

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Post by wilg »

tshaddox wrote: post #190
wilg wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, of course it's easier to pirate it. The problem is that its unethical (and illegal). That you find it inconvenient to pay for things you want is not a valid justification.

Again, pirating doesn’t stop you or anyone else from sending money to the copyright holder via whatever means the copyright holder prefers.

Most copyright holders prefer you sending money for them in the way they ask you to, which is by purchasing it in the way they are offering it. And it's completely hilarious to suggest that most pirates are somehow Venmoing the artists directly. 99% of content has no way to actually do that.

Re: The case for physical media ownership

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Post by DrPhish »

tisdadd wrote: post #207
lukan wrote: post #143

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There used to be this funny anti pirate advertisement, that tried to raise awareness in people to check if they maybe have a pirated DVD and not the original. Somehing like, make sure your DVD - has unskippable advertisment - long intro, also unskippable - ... If you don't have all that, but just a video that just plays the movie, you got to rush to the store and buy the legal obstructed version.

I actually remember getting so frustrated that I ripped some of my DVDs, made a copy without that, and put it in the same case so that I could just enjoy the movie. VHS you could always fast forward, which is not something I thought I would miss as much as I do. Physical goods that work offline are my default.

When you watch on vhs or laserdisc the loss of resolution only bothers you til the movie sucks you in.

At that point it’s irreverent because your eyeballs are not watching a long sequence of pretty still pictures, but rather your brain is watching a story in a way similar to reading a good book.

Re: The case for physical media ownership

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Post by nyantaro1 »

blfr wrote: post #3

Just pirate it. They can't tell you this but there's a quagmire of rights, licenses, agreements, treaties... and you can untangle this Goridan Knot by just pirating, especially media, for your own use. There are pixel perfect 4k drm-free rips out there made by people who poured thousands of hours into understanding codecs. They will work on any platform, forever, you can stream them or play offline. These rips can be…

This 100%. The other day I was trying to re-watch Mr. Robot with my girlfriend. I found out it abandoned Netflix. I like the series enough to purchase a 1-month subscription if that means I can just press play and it watch it dubbed. I read somewhere I could find it in Disney+, only to later find it is not really there, and that actually there is no way to stream it from any service in my country. How did it get this bad?

Re: The case for physical media ownership

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Post by glitchc »

There's another factor to consider: If what you physically own requires a proprietary platform to play or operate, then you don't actually own it. Sure, the disc with version 1.0.0 of the media/game may be in your possession, but that doesn't matter. The platform can change the rules at any time, requiring an arbitrary number of steps or payments before playing the media, or limiting features through forced updates as soon as the media is inserted.

Ultimately, technology cannot solve what is fundamentally a legislation problem. The only way to win this is to ask for laws to change.

Re: The case for physical media ownership

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Post by zenoprax »

I think there a simpler way to summarize this list:

Digital Purchases are non-transferable licenses to access "content" from a "provider". The terms of the deal are alterable and revocable at the provider's discretion with no obligation to maintain pricing, quality, availability, or editorial/artistic integrity nor must they provide any advance warning of such changes nor is there any legal recourse in case of disagreement.

Written out plainly it sounds pretty hostile when compared with an immutable Bluray whose limitations and capabilities are known in advance.

Re: The case for physical media ownership

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Post by basisword »

nyantaro1 wrote: post #237
blfr wrote: post #3

Just pirate it. They can't tell you this but there's a quagmire of rights, licenses, agreements, treaties... and you can untangle this Goridan Knot by just pirating, especially media, for your own use. There are pixel perfect 4k drm-free rips out there made by people who poured thousands of hours into understanding codecs. They will work on any platform, forever, you can stream them or play offline. These rips can be…

This 100%. The other day I was trying to re-watch Mr. Robot with my girlfriend. I found out it abandoned Netflix. I like the series enough to purchase a 1-month subscription if that means I can just press play and it watch it dubbed. I read somewhere I could find it in Disney+, only to later find it is not really there, and that actually there is no way to stream it from any service in my country. How did it get this…

You can buy it on DVD. Then you don't need to worry about what streaming service (if any) currently holds the rights.
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