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IP Crawl: Living atlas of open webcams discovered on the public internet

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Re: IP Crawl: Living atlas of open webcams discovered on the public internet

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Post by throw310822 »

anakaine wrote: post #37
jubilanti wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the room has an IP camera in it, it is by definition not private. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. So if I put an IP camera inside your bedroom without your notice or consent, and hook that up to the Internet, you'd be okay with that? Because it's public! A lot of these are probably from default or misconfigurations. A lot of these people with IP cam feeds visible to the Internet probably do not know they are…

You've read the comment the wrong way. The intent was to say "You cannot call a space private if it has a networked camera in it." Not "only a public space can host a camera".

Ok. The original commenter said:

> "Many of these cameras are in private spaces"

To which the gp answered

> It's not private if it has a ip cam in it

So what? Either he meant to contradict the op (and then it's correct to push back), or this is an entirely superfluous comment given they both understand what the problem is.

Re: IP Crawl: Living atlas of open webcams discovered on the public internet

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Post by imglorp »

elliotbnvl wrote: post #5

Definitely an invasion of privacy. I can’t visit this website in good faith. It should be taken down. The point is valuable, and the mission is important, but the ends do not justify the means. If this must be shared, at least use static pictures and don’t stream the content for viewers.

It's not the site's fault.

These things are open server ports on the wild internet. Anyone with a "for" loop can find them easily. If they care about privacy they shouldn't have them public.

Re: IP Crawl: Living atlas of open webcams discovered on the public internet

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Post by applicative »

I thought it all had to be fake but, thinking it would be innocent, did watch what seems to have been the priests’s concluding procession for 430 Saturday vigil at St Martin of Tours in Louisville which I had to labor a bit to identify At first I thought ‘who goes to church Saturday afternoon’ - and not a bad crowd for Louisville on a Saturday afternoon. God knows how such a thing turns up.

Re: IP Crawl: Living atlas of open webcams discovered on the public internet

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Post by hammock »

throw310822 wrote: post #41
anakaine wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've read the comment the wrong way. The intent was to say "You cannot call a space private if it has a networked camera in it." Not "only a public space can host a camera".

Ok. The original commenter said: > "Many of these cameras are in private spaces" To which the gp answered > It's not private if it has a ip cam in it So what? Either he meant to contradict the op (and then it's correct to push back), or this is an entirely superfluous comment given they both understand what the problem is.

It’s not superfluous. It’s saying “it’s unsafe to assume any space is private.”

Re: IP Crawl: Living atlas of open webcams discovered on the public internet

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Post by ryandrake »

halperter wrote: post #8

This website---naturally, I think---weirds me out. Many of these cameras are in private spaces, with some places you most certainly don't want people to have live feeds of. It's quite disturbing how you can see personal snapshots of people's lives without them knowing. There's a perverse feeling of dread about being able to see into someone's life and being able to paradoxically watch someone eat dinner alone, seemin…

Every consumer tech company I’ve worked for had at least one guy who was a PM or a PM like role, who would say things like “InfoSec UX is confusing! Users don’t want to deal with IP addresses and firewalls and passwords and keys. We need to make the product easier to share by default!” This scenario seems to be what happens when anyone actually listens to That Guy.

Sharing on the internet should be one of the hardest things to do in your product. You need to make enough friction that the user can never do it by accident or by default. And the user should be warned at every step.

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